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To: Dead Corpse; Ramius

Another addendum to my prior post on being OC bushwacked...the way police sometimes are. You walk into a crowd of people you can’t shoot, they turn aggressive while bumping you, and somebody grabs your OC pistol. Ask OC cops if this scenario worries them. It sure does, and for good reason: it happens!

Next case: the nasty brawling bad guy you told to stop hassling the ladies heads your way to pound your face.

But he sees your OC pistol, and thinks better. So he goes out to his truck and gets his own pistol, shotgun or rifle, and sits in the cab brooding until you come out.

This is just a sample scenario, but the point is it’s tactically stupid to tell an enemy to get out of pistol range, get cover, get a long arm and blow you away from ambush.


44 posted on 03/22/2011 2:44:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

LOL! Too rich.

All hypotheticals!

In the age of the internet, surely you can find one example of an OC case paralleling one of your examples.


52 posted on 03/22/2011 3:19:27 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: Travis McGee
Another addendum to my prior post on being OC bushwacked...the way police sometimes are. You walk into a crowd of people you can’t shoot, they turn aggressive while bumping you, and somebody grabs your OC pistol. Ask OC cops if this scenario worries them. It sure does, and for good reason: it happens!

I've got some personal experience that agrees... way back in a former life I was a Coastie, and conducted many boardings of vessels large and small. Mostly large. I was always hyper-aware, wearing a .45 on my hip in a regular leather thumb-strap holster. There's no such thing as "personal space". We were just by nature always in very close quarters with civilians at our elbows constantly.

There's few things as unsettling as going down a ladder through a hatch into a dark space, where the gun is the first thing after my feet to go into the space. Both hands are busy on the ladder... anybody down there that wanted that gun could probably take it if they were quick enough. It never happened to anybody I know, but I still hated that part.

I kept saying over and over that we needed to adopt a shoulder rig, as it's just inherently more secure for weapons-retention. It fell on deaf ears, unfortunately.

58 posted on 03/22/2011 4:11:59 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Travis McGee
What if, what if, what if...

Having a CCW doesn't protect you in any of those situations either. I KNOW you aren't making a case for banning guns altogether, but don't assume that your common street thug is anywhere near as smart as you are.

In general, drunks and shoulder thumpers will go elsewhere at the slightest sign of resistance. They aren't smart enough to set ambushes.

Those that are are the rare types of psychopaths, like the DC shooters, who will kill you no matter how you are carrying. Exactly the types of people we need to be armed against.

72 posted on 03/23/2011 6:33:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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