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Running for the Exits. Hedge funds are dumping US Treasury bonds. Do they know something?
National Review ^ | 03/22/2011 | Jim Lacey

Posted on 03/22/2011 6:51:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 03/22/2011 6:51:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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"...China, Japan, and OPEC — are still in the market for 30 percent of all new debt. The rest, however, is being purchased by the Federal Reserve. There is no one in else in the market. For the first time ever, Americans are refusing to purchase their own country’s debt."

This is really, really, really bad.

2 posted on 03/22/2011 6:54:12 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: SeekAndFind

They must see something...


3 posted on 03/22/2011 6:54:16 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: SeekAndFind

They must have seen the following web site,

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Factor in another war, spending like there is no tomorrow and the new Obama Care... I don’t think the US Dollar is going to last much longer.


4 posted on 03/22/2011 6:56:06 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: therightliveswithus
There is no way to avoid inflation based on all the phony money being printed and put into circulation.
5 posted on 03/22/2011 6:57:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: therightliveswithus

If you were a Hedge Fund manager and you heard the announcement of QEIII what would you do? These guys know suicide when they see it. We are going to see a bond market collapse at some point. This train has been going down the tracks for awhile now.


6 posted on 03/22/2011 6:58:35 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
This is really, really, really bad.

Understatement of the century.

7 posted on 03/22/2011 7:01:33 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Anyone else hear the chickens clucking?

Mike

8 posted on 03/22/2011 7:03:04 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: therightliveswithus

National Security Issue.


9 posted on 03/22/2011 7:03:28 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We are one failed treasury auction away from complete financial disaster..................


10 posted on 03/22/2011 7:03:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (How can anyone look at the situation in Libya and be for gun control is beyond stupid. It's suicide.)
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There is only one way out of this mess — cut spending, fast and deep.

Actually, there are many ways out.

"Cut spending, fast and deep" is the least probable - in fact, it"s SO improbable that I'm surprised you even mentioned it.

11 posted on 03/22/2011 7:06:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I'd crawl over broken glass for her. Alea iacta est.)
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” “...China, Japan, and OPEC — are still in the market for 30 percent of all new debt. [......] This is really, really, really bad. “

Not nearly as bad as it’s gonna get if/when Japan is forced to liquidate its Treasuries holdings to finance its rebuilding....

We ain’t seen nothin’, yet....


12 posted on 03/22/2011 7:07:04 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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PIMCO did the same thing in June 2009. They chase yields and right now yields are low on US treasury bonds. It doesn’t mean anything.

I don’t have much respect for bond funds anyway. They pretend to be a replacement for buying and holding bonds directly. But because they constantly have to buy and sell bonds as funds flow in and out of their mutual fund, they behave like equities, not bonds.

I really think bond funds should be eliminated from most people’s portfolios.


13 posted on 03/22/2011 7:09:12 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Possible future events:

1. Qualitative easing (i.e. the Fed creating money from thin air) ends and the interest rates have to rise significantly to convince buyers to come buy our bonds: interest rates rise and old bond values drop.

2. Qualitative easing is renewed and the Fed prints up even more funny money. Inflation rises and long term interest rates also rise so old bond values drop.

3. A miracle occurs, the sun breaks through the clouds and the economy really recovers in 1980s style. Business grows, people start buying houses again and more demand for loans occur: interest rates rise and old bond values drop.

I have a hard time seeing any situation where interest rates for loans stay at their current, artificially low rates for much longer. If you want to buy a house or refinance your current one with a low rate long term loan, do it quickly.

14 posted on 03/22/2011 7:09:45 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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The money quote:

It is time to face facts. Spending is so out of control that Treasuries are no longer a safe haven for investors. The markets are saturated with U.S. debt and increasingly unwilling to absorb more. There is only one way out of this mess — cut spending, fast and deep.

Since the coalition of Dems and weak-kneed Republicans are clearly unwilling to make the $1.5 trillion cut that it will take to avoid this catastrophe I conclude that they are seeking just such a disaster. Collapse is the goal.

15 posted on 03/22/2011 7:14:02 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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They know Bill Gross said he was selling. They know their algorithms can identify a trend change and follow it.

The last people to see anything are hedgies. They are the ultimate sheep. Its only leverage and press releases that give them any influence.

16 posted on 03/22/2011 7:14:07 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I fear the same thing.


17 posted on 03/22/2011 7:18:17 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Jim Noble

Actually, there are many ways out.

“Cut spending, fast and deep” is the least probable - in fact, it”s SO improbable that I’m surprised you even mentioned it.
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OK, I’ll bite. A huge tax increase is an option. What are the others?


18 posted on 03/22/2011 7:19:05 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: AngieGal

ping


19 posted on 03/22/2011 7:20:12 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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.....We are one failed treasury auction away from complete financial disaster....

If the Fed is now purchasing most of the debt, have not we already reached that point?

It depends on the definition of failed. It seems to me that point is already passed.


20 posted on 03/22/2011 7:23:36 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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