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To: ClearCase_guy
Obama will be pleased.

Why do you think he acted so quickly - not only illegally by not going through our congress - but going beyond the UN/allies okay for a "no fly"? ("No fly" doesn't mean bombing the he*l out of a country.)

The 'lives' he wanted to save? Perhaps those he's in sympathy with? Al Qaeda?

He had to act quickly to aid their escape with the weapons?

Let's see, he got Mubarak kicked out - one of our staunched allies in the ME - while everyone pooh-poohed there was any threat of the Muslim Brotherhood taking over. And if you didn't believe the hype, you could ask The Won's Muslim Brotherhood guy who is a memeber of his inner circle in the WH.

Now, it seems, the Muslim Brotherhood is poised for a good shot at taking over Egypt.

If they get Egypt and Libya - well, take a look a the map. Pretty good base to reestablish the Caliphate, eh wot?

And maybe with Tripoli as the capitol - deja vu? ARe we going to be fighting The Barbary Coast all over again?

24 posted on 03/25/2011 9:07:43 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: maine-iac7
"If they get Egypt and Libya - well, take a look a the map. Pretty good base to reestablish the Caliphate, eh wot?"

Check out the history of the Fatimid Caliphate.

The greatest Islamic Caliphate and the least well-known to Westerners.

One thousand years ago they ruled Egypt, and yes, they took over first from Sardinia and North Africa.

However, they were totally opposed to the Islamists, often assassinating them.
29 posted on 03/25/2011 10:16:52 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: maine-iac7; ClearCase_guy; EveningStar
Obama will be pleased.

Why do you think he acted so quickly

Because of stupidity. Because, in foreign affairs, Barack Obama is totally clueless. Because Barack Obama never bothered to do his homework and educate himself. Because Barack Obama was an Affirmative Action candidate that too many irrational people gushed over because of the way he looked and sounded instead of what he knew and you can't realistically expect anything but FUBAR's from such a President.

Barack Obama got into the "Let's overthrow Gadhafi" chess game without ever bothering to study what would happen beyond the first move of "Pawn to King 4".

Barack Obama had not thought out the chess game beyond the extremely naïve notion that you can:

1.) Topple Gadhafi so that

2.) America can then Cut & Run so that

3.) The Democracy Fairy can wave her Magic Wand and everybody lives happily ever after

The three major problems with that childishly naïve lunacy is that:

1.) There is no such thing as a Democarcy Fairy

2.) In all of military history, air power has never, ever, secured a single square mile of territory. To secure territorry, you need "boots on the ground". The 8th Air Force may have flattened East Berlin in World War II but East Berlin became Communist because, after the bombing, it was the Soviets with "boots on the ground" there.

3.) The one warring faction that is pouring fighters into Libya in order to have "boots on the ground" to secure the final Victory in Libya is al Qaeda. ("Thank you, U.S. air power, for giving us the future Billions of dollars of Libyan oil revenues that we will use to kill Americans!")

During a break from the fighting, Abu Sultan explained that he is no stranger to bloody battles. He traveled to Iraq in 2003, incensed by the U.S.-led invasion.His brother Hassan blew himself up near a U.S. Marine vehicle, killing the Americans. Abu Sultan called home to tell his mother, and Hassan was celebrated as a martyr in the eastern Libyan city of Ajdabiya. Another brother, Abu Sultan said, has become a top commander of al-Qaeda, and is based in Afghanistan.

After his intial blunder, saner heads at the Pentagon pointed out to Obama:

"Mr. President, what about the fact that al Qaeda has been flooding Libya with radical Islamist fighters in order to be the only warring faction with the necessary "boots on the ground" to secure the final control over Libya? You specifically expect to "get out" and leave a power vacuum in Libya that al Qaeda is already mobilized to fill? It will turn over Libya and it's oil wealth over to the Islamic radicals just as surely as Jimmy Carter's blundering with another dictator turned Iran over to the Islamist fanatics."

Then, Obama realized what an idiot he has been.

"What should I do now? How can I fix this?"

"Stalemate, Mr. President. We will claim a stalemate. With Gadhafi still in power, we can use him as a proxy to keep the radical Islamists in check just like Georgw H. W. Bush used Saddam to keep the Iranian-backed, radical Islamists in southern Iraq in check in 1991 after the Gulf War."

So, the Pentagon starts making statements about "Stalemate".

This is the Charlie Foxtrot that happens when voters support a ridiculously unprepared and unqualified Affirmative Action candidate just because they absolutely adore how that candidate looks and sounds without ever bothering to figure out if that candiate would lead America into FUBAR after FUBAR through sheer ignorance and incompetence.

You do not have to be a secret al Qaeda supporter to get America into such a FUBAR and hand Billions of dollars of future oil revenue over to al Qaeda.

You just have to be so utterly unqualified to be Commander-in-Chief that you actually have the extremely naïve notion that you can:

1.) Topple Gadhafi so that

2.) America can then Cut & Run so that

3.) The Democracy Fairy can wave her Magic Wand and everybody lives happily ever after

Case in point:

"So what our president said at first, that our mission is to see Qaddafi go, he's got to go, but then we're told by one of his top advisers, the president's top advisers, saying, Well, no, really, Qaddafi is probably going to prevail on this. He's probably going to prevail over the opposition. And then our president changes the tune again, saying, Well, it's not our mission to oust Qaddafi. A lot of confusion. I would like to see, of course, as long as we're in it -- we better be in it to win it. And if there's doubt, we get out. Win it means Qaddafi goes and America gets to get on out of there and let the people of Libya create their own government" .... Sarah Palin in interview with Greta van Sustern

"But, Governor Palin, what about the fact that al Qaeda has been flooding Libya with radical Islamist fighters in order to be the only warring faction with the necessary "boots on the ground" to secure the final control over Libya? You specifically expect to "get out" and leave a power vacuum in Libya that al Qaeda is already mobilized to fill? It will turn over Libya and it's oil wealth over to the Islamic radicals just as surely as Jimmy Carter's blundering with another dictator turned Iran over to the Islamist fanatics."

"Umm ... What do you mean by "boots on the ground"? What's an "Islamist"? What does al Qaeda have to do with any of this and the Democracy Fairy?"

42 posted on 03/26/2011 9:24:50 AM PDT by Polybius
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