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1 posted on 04/04/2011 8:15:48 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Jeff Head

FYI


2 posted on 04/04/2011 8:20:41 AM PDT by SLB (23rd Artillery Group, Republic of South Vietnam, Aug 1970 - Aug 1971.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Until Naval TacAir gets off of the F/A-18 BrainWash BandWagon TacAir will NEVER be on the “UpSwing”. The Grumman AirCraft Company was not called the “Iron Works” for nothing.


3 posted on 04/04/2011 8:21:25 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: sukhoi-30mki

There is no doubt that the Navy’s plan to replace 1991’s 351 P-3s with several dozen P-8s plus an unknown UAV (BAMS) is a non-starter. We have, again, abandoned ASW (plus anti-mine warfare, too) as budgets shrink. We will pay the price in the next war.


6 posted on 04/04/2011 8:27:29 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I believe that a lot of naval aviation will be transitioned into UAV's with local, manned operation from aircraft similar to the AWACS system.

On carriers, it will free up lots of space to include more UAV's and decrease operational expense. It will also decrease exposure of personnel to risk over "indian country" and the political implications of military hostages. It will also mean that rescue missions of lost personnel will be greatly diminished.

I am not talking about the complete elimination of manned aircraft, but we need to adapt to the technology of today and make ready for the war of tomorrow because we are rapidly approaching a "Billy Mitchel" moment, with those who believed in battle wagons and those who believed in carriers. War is about the projection of force and protection of forces for future battles. Billy Mitchel knew that and was Court Marshaled for it.
7 posted on 04/04/2011 8:41:46 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Pray for our nation against the enemies of freedom.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It takes too long, and costs too much money, to build aircraft carriers. Can the whiz-kids in the Navy design an aircraft carrier barge that could be built in 8 weeks? Put a couple of catapaults on it, and tow it around. That fancy anti-ship missile don’t care if the target is moving at 30 knots or 10 knots. Build an aircraft repair barge with a crane on it to fix the broken planes. I’m betting that for the cost of an aircraft carrier, you could build several barges.


8 posted on 04/04/2011 8:45:47 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They are just now recovering from the loss of all the aircraft Juan McPain destroyed during his illustrious career./snic


10 posted on 04/04/2011 8:54:08 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: magslinger

ping


11 posted on 04/04/2011 9:13:01 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: sukhoi-30mki
That's what it's all about

I thought it was the hoky-poky.

12 posted on 04/04/2011 9:13:11 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Dunn said. Almost 22 years on, however, Dunn says: "In retrospect, I don't know if it was good advice or not."

It was a bad decision even then. The R&D had been paid for and done, the only saving was the production cost. And the A-6F would have been a better aircraft than whatever was built with that mpney instead.

They might not be in the strike role today, but the USNavy could sure use 100+ KA6-H (converted from the A-6F between 2005-2010) instead of using strike aircraft as buddy tankers.

13 posted on 04/04/2011 9:37:25 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Radioactive plume to hit USA. President Obama and family fly to Brazil)
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; investigateworld; lowbuck; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

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This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

14 posted on 04/04/2011 9:44:32 AM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The biggest risk we face right now is from a fundamental military principle that has always existed. This is that “Quantity and quality are a balance. Emphasizing one at the expense of the other will leave you vulnerable.”

Right now, a modest UAV could be built for the price of an economy car. And many countries around the world could afford to set up a mass production line to make enormous numbers of such simple weapons.

A single F-22 Raptor has a production cost of $150m. If the price of a UAV could be kept down to $50,000 each, a country could produce 3,000 such UAVs for the cost of a single F-22.

If they wanted to be more elaborate, and produce a $100,000 UAV, they could still produce 1,500 such UAVs.

If they wanted a serious, high performance UAV enough so that they cost $1,000,000 each, they could still make 150 of them.

A Lear Jet costs about $5,000,000 each. That is still 30 aircraft, for the price of a single F-22 Raptor.

So how many enemy aircraft can the F-22 Raptor shoot down at once? Maybe six or eight? But then it has to return home to be rearmed. And even with the most expensive option, that would leave 22 enemy aircraft in the air.

With the cheapest option, 2,992 enemy aircraft heading for their targets.


16 posted on 04/04/2011 10:20:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“On 7 January 1991, Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney cancelled the A-12, citing design shortfalls and cost overruns.”

Yes, I was there that day. I watched thousands of employees (for then General Dynamics, now Lockheed) walk out the door with their boxes of personal processions to the unemployment line. I was “lucky” and sent to Egypt for 3 years. I have never forgiven cheney for that...it was all political. Yes, we were overweight. Yes, we could have fixed it given time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-12_Avenger_II


18 posted on 04/04/2011 11:20:23 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Pensacola is the home of Naval Aviation

For a truly great day, Visit the Museum of Naval Aviation at NAS Pensacola. The old guys, the naval Aviators guide the fantastic tours and describe the wonderful real thing, the air planes.


27 posted on 04/04/2011 2:51:30 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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