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When Did the Definition of “natural born Citizen” Change?
The Post & Email ^ | April 09, 2011 | Glen Gilliland

Posted on 04/10/2011 8:42:11 AM PDT by RobinMasters

(Apr. 10, 2011) — When I was a young boy in Mr. Hanson’s fifth grade civics class in the mid-60s, we learned that the definition of “natural born Citizen” was exclusively a person born on US soil of parents who are US citizens.

That has been the accepted definition of “natural born Citizen” for most of our history, except between the years 1790-1795, and 1971 to the present.

The first Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1790 :

And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States…

That act was repealed with the uniform rule of the Naturalization Act of 1795 and new language in Section 3:

and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States:

Section 4. And be it further enacted, That the Act intitled, “An act to establish an uniform rule of naturalization,” passed the twenty-sixth day of March, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, be, and the same is hereby repealed.

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1 posted on 04/10/2011 8:42:13 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

Obama is hiding much more than the circumstances of his Birth.


2 posted on 04/10/2011 8:53:58 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks and so do the RINOS.)
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To: RobinMasters
I was going over my daughter's fifth-grade history assignment yesterday, Saturday 9 April. They're studying Harriet Tubman. The very first question she had to answer concerned Ms. Tubman's birth certificate.

My daughter had carefully written this for the answer: "Harriet Tubman had no birth certificate because she was born a slave."

3 posted on 04/10/2011 8:54:00 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: RobinMasters

Bump


4 posted on 04/10/2011 9:21:55 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: screaminsunshine

As I read th end of this piece, Obama would qualify as a natural born citizen. His mother was a citizen and, although his father was a non-citizen, he did reside for a time in the US. Or am I reading it wrong?


5 posted on 04/10/2011 9:22:55 AM PDT by Stirner
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To: Steely Tom
"Harriet Tubman had no birth certificate because she was born a slave."

My father born in 1912 had no Birth Certificate because he was born at home. When he reached SS age he had to have one, so his Aunt swore to all the facts surrounding his birth and then he was issued one.

6 posted on 04/10/2011 9:30:59 AM PDT by Spunky (Accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.)
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To: Spunky

Just think - if Obama had been born in 1912, he’s have something of an excuse...


7 posted on 04/10/2011 9:33:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (Understanding the Koran: http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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To: Stirner

No. Obama’s father did NOT reside in the United States.

To reside, one must have a residence. Obama’s father was just on a student visa which does not qualify him for residency.

Cheers


8 posted on 04/10/2011 9:40:15 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: screaminsunshine
I always took this to be inclusive rather than exclusive. That is: one is a "natural born citizen" if one was born on U.S. soil OR one was born outside the U.S. to U.S. citizens.

According to this definition, if Obama was born in Hawaii, he is eligible to run for President.

If you believe that this subordinate clause applies to the whole law, then you must accept that ONLY people not born on U.S. soil are eligible to be President.

9 posted on 04/10/2011 9:47:43 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Stirner; All
Even Obama admits his father was only on a student visa.

This is from Obama's book, "Dreams from My Father," page 126, paragraph 2:

"But your grandfather Hussein was still writing to your father, threatening to have his student visa revoked."

Cheers

10 posted on 04/10/2011 9:49:48 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: RobinMasters

Obama could be adopted... by his alleged “mother”...
http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may-have-a-criminal-past


11 posted on 04/10/2011 9:55:24 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Stirner
you are reading it wrong. the 'reside' provision pertains to fathers that are US citizens out of the country
12 posted on 04/10/2011 9:56:04 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Steely Tom

Of course if your daughter had educated instructor, that person would have known that some of the most accurate records are those that were kept for slaves. Slaves were very valuable and most slave owners kept very detailed birth records. Hense it is easier to find birth records for slaves then it is for whites during the time of slavery,


13 posted on 04/10/2011 10:01:11 AM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: Johnny B.

The purpose of article two(natural born citizen) was to prevent a person with dual allegiance from becoming the President and having mixed loyalties with another nation. obama is not nor ever can be the President if his father( by his own admission ) was a foreign national.


14 posted on 04/10/2011 10:09:54 AM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: Johnny B.

Hence, the confusion.

In the 1970’s, I was taught that a Natural Born citizen was one born on American soil to two parents owing sole allegiance to the United States. A child born at sea or on land which is under the jurisdiction of the United States, to two parents owing sole allegiance to the United States, is also considered Natural Born.

So, yes, it does get confusing when you start throwing in things like, “what if the ship at sea isn’t an American ship” (I remember we debated that one for quite some time in class and never came up with a sufficient answer).

However, since the stated intent of the Article II natural born clause was to assure that the President would have sole allegiance to the United States and none other, when one is born with dual citizenship, as is the case with Barack H. Obama, Jr., AND one has shown allegiance to one’s foreign nation (i.e. - Obama actively campaigning with Odinga in Kenya in 2006), then one has forfeited any claim one might have had to the Presidency.

Cheers


15 posted on 04/10/2011 10:11:25 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: DoctorBulldog

I was born to two parents that were US citizens at a civilian hospital in England. I have a “naturalized” citizenship and would be different had I been born on the USAF Base. I always understood that I could not be President.


16 posted on 04/10/2011 10:23:19 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

You are absolutely correct.

Cheers


17 posted on 04/10/2011 10:27:29 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: DoctorBulldog

Both of my children were born while I was serving overseas on Active Duty. Both have a birth certificate issued by the US State Department. This birth certificate is headed “Report of the Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America.”

Are you saying that my children are not natural born citizens?


18 posted on 04/10/2011 10:33:43 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Johnny B.

P.S. - You might want to consider the AND function and not just the Exclusive/Inclusive OR functions in your Natural Born Boolean logic.

A*B = no confusion.
A+B = confusion.
AB’+A’B = more confusion...

Cheers


19 posted on 04/10/2011 10:35:31 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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To: ops33

Were they born on land under the jurisdiction of the United States?


20 posted on 04/10/2011 10:36:42 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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