Posted on 04/11/2011 8:34:18 AM PDT by julieee
Report: 150 Catholic Colleges Have Ties to Planned Parenthood
Washington, DC -- A Catholic educational watchdog group released a new report today detailing the connections more than 150 Catholic colleges and universities have with the Planned Parenthood abortion business.
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/04/11/report-150-catholic-colleges-have-ties-to-planned-parenthood/
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I'm trying to be charitable but your remarks seem to contain a severely bitter undercurrent of malice toward those who consider the lives of unborn children and the responsibilities of "Catholic" institutions to be serious matters.
It seems to me you haven't even read the document compiled by the Cardinal Newman Society and are only interested in continued sneers and smears, so I'll leave it at that.
If anyone is "attacking" here, it's you.
"No one has suggested Catholic universities hire only orthodox Catholics"
Really? I'm not sure what article you're reading. The "report" (to the extent that it can even be called that), attempts to draw ties between Planned Parenthood and these Catholic universities. How does it do that? By creating a nexus between these academics and Planned Parenthood, and using "guilt by association" as an indicting device of the Universities themselves. If you're not saying Catholic Universities shouldn't hire only orthodox Catholics, then why are you or anyone surprised when some professors aren't orthodox Catholics - in fact, many are atheists, gay, Muslim, Jewish, agnostic or even (gasp) Mormon and may be members of or supporters of causes that directly contradict Catholic teaching.
"I'm trying to be charitable..."
...is what you say just before you accuse me of being an abortionist. That's rich. Contradictory, but rich.
"It seems to me you haven't even read the document compiled by the Cardinal Newman Society and are only interested in continued sneers and smears, so I'll leave it at that."
No, I have read. It says that some professors employed by Catholic institutions actively support Planned Parenthood. To you that's (apparently) a surprise. To me it's not - just like I'm not surprised to see a Jewish Rabbi or Muslim Imam or atheist Physicist when I make my frequent visits to my alma mater.
One of the primary and remarkably valuable points of a worthwhile education experience is to meet and dialogue with people you don't necessarily agree with. As I said earlier, the Catholic educational tradition does NOT resemble a Muslim madrases, with good reason.
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IMO, it does not rise to the level of the more liberal institutions cited in this study, such as Seattle U., Georgetown, and DePaul.
Well they did hire them, why wouldn't they be tied to them?
Because in the spirit of the Catholic tradition, the value of academic excellence supersedes any tether to religious purity. The Universities purposefully hire professors who may not be Catholics, Christians or people of any faith. Why? Because they owe it to their students to provide to them the brightest minds and subject-matter experts in their fields of study.
It should not be a surprise to anyone when some of those professors disagree with Church doctrine. And, it should be no surprise that those professors may be active off-campus in some of those political, ideological, theological or philosophical pursuits.
If you want Catholic universities to only have Catholic professors and dogmatic adherents, then you don't want a university in the Catholic tradition. You want something else.
I don't know what document you read, but it wasn't the one linked in the article. Try again. Start with page 2 (page 1 is a title page) and read until you figure it out.
http://cardinalnewmansociety.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=5GDvYJ27dE8%3d&tabid=36
Even setting aside the wide array of links the report details between Catholic institutions and Planned Parenthood that you studiously ignore, to your main objection, a Catholic university should not employ professors actively working to promote great evil. For example, a university would not employ an anti-Semite (well, I guess that's not true these days) in the name of welcoming opposing viewpoints and should not employ those whose "credentials" include promotion of abortion.
It comes closer to being a Madrasa, than it does anything Catholic. By your reasoning, you must be an atheist to be intelligent.
They do provide excellent Supreme Court Lesbians, which I am sure will have no effect on the decisions that will be coming down.
Whew, straw man much?
If you are unaware of the fact that the great lion's share of working theoretical physicists are atheists, or at best agnostics, I'm not sure what planet you're living on. If a Catholic University elected to not hire people not of faith, they would have science departments that could not compete with secular schools. That's the reality.
Your document details person after person who has links to Planned Parenthood. How that differs from what I said is a mystery only known to you and the voices in your head, apparently.
"not employ those whose "credentials" include promotion of abortion"
In the spirit of ecumenical outreach, religious pluralism and intellectual outreach, Catholic Schools have employed people for centuries that don't necessarily comport with Church teachings. THAT's what I'm saying. How you choose to characterize it, is really none of my concern.
straw man much?
straw man much?
What does it profit a man
To gain the whole world,
And lose his soul.
It is very difficult for any student let alone a Catholic school student to listen daily to the best minds in the science world, and remain in the faith?
If you knew your child would become the best in his field, but lose his faith, would you really want that?
Or maybe faith just isn’t a positive for you.
Maybe for your kids it is, but for my kids - all five of whom are either in a Catholic college/university or have already graduated - it sure wasn't. We raised our children in a way that their faith isn't so fragile that it falls apart in its first exposure to a non-believer.
"If you knew your child would become the best in his field, but lose his faith, would you really want that?"
You must have very little faith in your ability as a parent.
Clearly, we see higher education differently. I see it as a place where students have an opportunity, even an obligation to interact with people who don't necessarily see the world in the same way they do. And, in doing so, they explore their own understanding of their faith, their personal and political philosophies and of humanity itself. That process makes them better students, better people and frankly better Catholics.
You see higher education as something else, although I'm not sure what that is, and I'm not even sure you've given it a moments thought.
A Catholic college/university is NOT an indoctrination center. It's an center for exploration. THAT is the Catholic tradition. It's very difficult to explore and fully understand the world, when you're only learning from people who think EXACTLY like you do.
You need to go back to swabbing decks. Maybe you can protect your children, but they aren’t the only ones attending the apostate churches pretending to be Christian.
But all is well, your children are safe, so to he77 with the rest of them, right?
Yep, I was right. You don't get it. We aren't talking about Catholic parishes, we're talking about Catholic Universities and Colleges.
They aren't in existence to convert people, or to demand adherence to religious orthodoxy in its student body. They are in existence, quite simply, to professionally and competently educate young men and women in the Catholic tradition of higher education.
I get the feeling you're upset that these schools aren't turning out biology grads who spent the last four years studying how Noah put 4-million pairs of animals on a big boat.
I am a little more upset with these schools turning out leaders of the world, who largely have atheistic views or at least are only marginally tolerant of Christians.
Sort of like Church members paying to educate leaders who will work for Satan, so the Christian can feed on the crumbs.
There is Good and Evil, it never works out well for Good and Evil to compromise, because the compromise always turns out to be less than Good.
By the way, I do get it, and I don't like it.
Would you care to name the huge list of Conservatives that these formerly Christian based Ivey league schools have produce in the last 100 years.
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