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Roth IRAs: A real 'fiscal Frankenstein' (LIBERALS ARE COMING FOR YOUR RETIREMENT SAVINGS)
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 10, 2011 | Gerald E Scorse

Posted on 04/11/2011 5:48:39 PM PDT by WeatherGuy

The day after Congress passed the new healthcare law, an opponent called it "a fiscal Frankenstein." In fact, those are fitting words for Roth individual retirement accounts, or IRAs. Roths drive up the federal deficit and cause other pain. They're great for holders but grim for America. It's time to retire them.

In a Roth, taxes are treated the other way around. There's no tax break on contributions. But from that point on, taxes simply vanish. As long as the account is at least 5 years old, there is no tax on any withdrawals made after age 59 1/2. There's no requirement that you make a minimum withdrawal — after age 70 1/2, or ever.

All of which makes Roths a perfect "fiscal Frankenstein." In return for little more than ordinary upfront taxes, Congress waived untold billions in future Treasury receipts. Then, too, Roths could be a drag on the U.S. economy. Since no withdrawals are required, assets can lie idle indefinitely.

For Roth holders, the accounts become a permanent, federally sanctioned tax shelter. For America, they're a bit like toxic instruments on the nation's books. Worse, Congress has them on steroids, and President Obama wants to up the dosage.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ira; retirement; rothira; taxes
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To: Renegade

Good!


21 posted on 04/11/2011 7:02:20 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: chopperman

Unfortunately tax rates are probably going to be twice as high when we finally withdraw our money from our IRAs and 401ks. And there will be a VAT tax on top of it all.

I think everyone will be scratching their heads wondering why we all decided to pay taxes later instead of years earlier, when the tax rates were lower.


22 posted on 04/11/2011 7:09:09 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: jdsteel
I’ve always had a suspicion that th looters would come for ROTH IRAs.

I've never been willing to do a Roth because I figured it was a tax trap - that they'd start taxing withdrawals. I may have missed out on a good thing, but I don't trust the politicians.

23 posted on 04/11/2011 7:12:42 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Nip
We, the People, have stood still for many things including, in all probability, means testing for social security. But out right theft of personal funds without any pretext of criminal activity? That's a line that no politician, no matter how ideologically blind, should ever contemplate. Beyond that line live tigers and dragons.

More likely what they will do is require a "small" percentage of IRA and 401ks be put into government bonds or other "socially responsible" investments. After all, since the government is letting us have so much it wouldn't be that big of deal that they get to control 10% (or 25% or 50%) of our investments in tax deferred accounts. < /major sarcasm> Seriously, I fear that that they will start finding a way to either nibble away at it with bad investment choices or convince people to bail out and pay the taxes on early withdrawals.

24 posted on 04/11/2011 7:18:12 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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To: o2bfree

This ultimately is what I think will happen as well.

The tax rates will only be going up, not down, for the foreseeable future. The ‘your tax rate will be lower’ ruse didn’t come with a guarantee.


25 posted on 04/11/2011 7:46:17 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: MediaMole

The writer needs to watch “It’s a Wonderful Life” again.

“Aw com’n Harvey. It’s not like all the money is lieing in the vault there. Your money was used to build Tom’s house, and Tom’s money was used to build Joe’s.” (Or somesuch)


26 posted on 04/11/2011 7:52:21 PM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: WeatherGuy
Since no withdrawals are required, assets can lie idle indefinitely.

What these blithering idiots don't realize -- or want to admit -- is that assets "lying idle" actually are investments that put people to work.

These blithering idiots are gloaking at our funds.....

27 posted on 04/11/2011 7:54:00 PM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: andyk
I really tried to understand the author’s argument

There is no argument or debate, period. This idiot wants the government to have your money. It is theft. And the left thinks they are entitled to it.

28 posted on 04/11/2011 7:57:16 PM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: WeatherGuy
Since no withdrawals are required, assets can lie idle indefinitely.

Only a liberal idiot defines an asset as idle just because government can't get their hands on it.

29 posted on 04/11/2011 8:17:48 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: WeatherGuy

Yeah, someone has extra money laying around so they must be rich and be forced to share. The government set up retirements accounts, was it just to siphon off the money and confiscate it in the future?


30 posted on 04/11/2011 8:35:44 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: Razzz42
The government set up retirements accounts, was it just to siphon off the money and confiscate it in the future?

The original intent was to give corporate executives a tax break by using a deferred compensation plan to shelter some income.

31 posted on 04/12/2011 3:16:21 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: WeatherGuy

“In return for little more than ordinary upfront taxes”

Little more than ordinary taxes?
This whole political/ruling elite bunch can KISS MY A%%!


32 posted on 04/12/2011 4:39:42 AM PDT by Fireone (Liberals are just overschooled, undereducated, adult children.)
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To: PAR35

EXACTLY my thoughts.


33 posted on 04/12/2011 11:42:37 AM PDT by jdsteel (I like the way the words "Palin for President" make progressives apoplectic.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

My husband agrees with you. He’s always been skeptical of Roth’s and the ability of the gubmint to not turn around and tax them.


34 posted on 04/13/2011 5:02:12 AM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We need to be in it to win it, and if there's doubt we need to get out". -- Palin on Libya.)
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