Skip to comments.Holy Cow Update: Video Captures Shock Collision of Jets on JFK Runway
Posted on 04/11/2011 11:58:39 PM PDT by buccaneer81
That was much more than a slight bump! Wow! To be spun around like that, wonder what the passengers on the small plnae were thinking?
I don’t know about the passengers, but you can bet the pilot had a near stroke when his aircraft violently and suddenly changed direction.
“wonder what the passengers on the small plnae were thinking?”
Maybe, “They weren’t kidding when they said to remain in our seats until the plane came to a complete stop!”
(And that ground crew guy must have set a land speed record for a union member with fully-loaded pants.)
I have a bad habit of googling tail numbers of planes I'm about to board. Not long ago, on a flight from Boston to Washington on US Air, while killing time in the departure lounge, I learned that the airplane at the gate had had a mishap a few years ago. It seems an Embraer 180 that was behind it for departure at Reagan National received takeoff clearance first. The Embraer pilot tried to squeeze past my bird, but he misjudged the distance, and their wing-tips crunched. Bad day for the pax on the respective planes! Worse day for the Embraer pilot!
After I boarded, I took a close look out the window at that wing. No trace. I waved to the captain as he walked around, conducting his preflight. He didn't see me.
Uneventful flight. Came in right over the Pentagon.
I wonder who is at fault here, the ground crew, pilots, or tower?
Watch the wingtip of the A380 upon impact.
Hell, I wonder which airline is going to pay for the new underwear of both flight crews?
Don’t know...Probably ground crew, or pilot not paying attention to ground crew.
Watch closer. It appears the smaller aircraft tail struck the A380 wing tip upon impact.
You can see it flex.
Whoops, I misread your post...
I agree, the crews of both aircraft must have freaked..Especially the smaller aircraft.
An understatement for sure.
Thanks for that.
We were just waiting. We were kind of all having a chat saying it was a bit annoying and then suddenly there was this big bang from one side of the plane, Bandy said.
I think it was the tail of the big Air France jet that hit the back of us or something.
The engine of the Air France jet that hit the tail of us and pushed round, and pushed our front end around the other way, Lawton said.
They said their Delta plane actually swerved sideways on impact, but quickly came to a stop.
Just crushing noises, like whoa! It sounded like smashing glass or somethings breaking, Lawton said.
A close look at the video shows it was not the engine of the larger aircraft, but the wing tip, which stuck the tail of the smaller aircraft.
“It appeared that the smaller plane had moved too soon, according to a person familiar with the matter”-—quoted from this article. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704662604576257702184905170.html
I agree, that is what it looks like to me.
Something like this happened to me once. Except I was driving a F350 crew cab (aka Air bus 380) and the little plane was a Geo Metro.
Had much the same results in the mall parking lot. And to think their insurance company tried to blame ME for not stopping even though they backed in to the rear door of the truck.
Pilot in Command is ultimately responsible.
Its a good thing Delta and Air France have an alliance with each other. They should be able to “make things right” fairly easily.
I wonder who is at fault here, the ground crew, pilots, or tower?
I would think the ground crew, was probably getting close to half hour coffee break time for the union members
Neither pilot at fault.
This type of accident is happening more and more.
If you go back and look at the video, you will see that before and after the collision there are a number of unidentified lights darting in and out.
These are ETS and most likely angels that did this to keep these planes from flying that night. They probably knew that they were destined to have an in-flight accident that night.
Evidence at most airports are showing this to be a less than rare occurrence. We are truly not alone.
According to FAR's, ultimately the responsibility for the safety of the aircraft and the passengers lies with the pilot at all times when he/she is in a position of control.
Authorities believe the Comair pilot, who was instructed to taxi to the ramp after landing, stopped partly in the ramp area and partly in the taxiway when struck, said a federal aviation official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
Anthony Black, a Delta spokesman, declined comment.
“This could be a simple problem of Comair not pulling up quite far enough, and other people not noticing,” said William Voss, chief executive officer of the non-profit Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Virginia, in an interview.
“Comair might not have stopped in an outrageous spot for every other airplane in the world,” though the A380’s wingspan may have erased any margin for error, Voss said.
The National Transportation Safety Board will examine the steps taken by the pilots and controllers’ instructions, said Keith Holloway, a board spokesman. The FAA and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates John F. Kennedy International Airport, also are investigating.
Airbus’s A380 has a wingspan of 80 metres and is the largest passenger jet made. It was carrying 520 people when it hit the 107-foot-long Bombardier CRJ700, which flew 62 passengers and four crew members from Boston.
Because of the A380’s size, controllers may have had difficulty seeing the Bombardier plane as the larger jet passed, while keeping the Air France pilot from seeing that the wing wouldn’t clear the smaller aircraft, consultants said.
“It’s really hard to miss an A380, but the other airplane could be totally not visible from the tower,” said Richard Healing, a former NTSB member who is a senior partner at R Cubed Consulting in Washington. “They will certainly look at what the communications were, who was told to taxi and who was told to hold. They’ll be looking at it from inside the airplanes and from traffic control.”
Merely a flesh wound ;-)
Actually, it was a bit smaller; a CRJ-700.
Everyone was very lucky it was not much worse.
If this was a Bombardier CRJ700 (I believe it was) then the absolute minimum it could weigh is 43,500 pounds. That is just the plane; no fuel, passengers, cargo, etc...and it was tossed around like a toy.
And the A-380 pax said it was no more of a feeling than a speedbump.
Every airline passenger needs to see this video and realize there's a reason the crew says to stay seated and belted until told otherwise. I guarantee there were a few idiots aboard the CRJ who were in the aisle at impact.
Surely you jest?