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Holy Cow Update: Video Captures Shock Collision of Jets on JFK Runway
The Blaze ^ | NA

Posted on 04/11/2011 11:58:39 PM PDT by buccaneer81

Yikes!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: a380; collision; comair; jfk

1 posted on 04/11/2011 11:58:40 PM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: buccaneer81

Gezzzz


2 posted on 04/12/2011 12:05:06 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: buccaneer81
There were no injuries when the Air France super jumbo jet touched the other plane Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Jim Peters said.

Touched?

lol

3 posted on 04/12/2011 12:09:41 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: buccaneer81

That was much more than a slight bump! Wow! To be spun around like that, wonder what the passengers on the small plnae were thinking?


4 posted on 04/12/2011 12:10:29 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

I don’t know about the passengers, but you can bet the pilot had a near stroke when his aircraft violently and suddenly changed direction.


5 posted on 04/12/2011 12:13:16 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rawhide

“wonder what the passengers on the small plnae were thinking?”

Maybe, “They weren’t kidding when they said to remain in our seats until the plane came to a complete stop!”

(And that ground crew guy must have set a land speed record for a union member with fully-loaded pants.)


6 posted on 04/12/2011 12:14:11 AM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: buccaneer81
Big deal.

I have a bad habit of googling tail numbers of planes I'm about to board. Not long ago, on a flight from Boston to Washington on US Air, while killing time in the departure lounge, I learned that the airplane at the gate had had a mishap a few years ago. It seems an Embraer 180 that was behind it for departure at Reagan National received takeoff clearance first. The Embraer pilot tried to squeeze past my bird, but he misjudged the distance, and their wing-tips crunched. Bad day for the pax on the respective planes! Worse day for the Embraer pilot!

After I boarded, I took a close look out the window at that wing. No trace. I waved to the captain as he walked around, conducting his preflight. He didn't see me.

Uneventful flight. Came in right over the Pentagon.

7 posted on 04/12/2011 12:14:44 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: dragnet2

I wonder who is at fault here, the ground crew, pilots, or tower?


8 posted on 04/12/2011 12:15:03 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: buccaneer81

Watch the wingtip of the A380 upon impact.


9 posted on 04/12/2011 12:15:10 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hunton Peck
(And that ground crew guy must have set a land speed record for a union member with fully-loaded pants.)

Hell, I wonder which airline is going to pay for the new underwear of both flight crews?

10 posted on 04/12/2011 12:17:19 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: rawhide

Don’t know...Probably ground crew, or pilot not paying attention to ground crew.


11 posted on 04/12/2011 12:17:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: The Cajun

Watch closer. It appears the smaller aircraft tail struck the A380 wing tip upon impact.

You can see it flex.


12 posted on 04/12/2011 12:19:33 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: buccaneer81

More here: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04/11/air-france-delta-jets-collide-on-ground-at-jfk-airport/


13 posted on 04/12/2011 12:19:49 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: The Cajun

Whoops, I misread your post...

I agree, the crews of both aircraft must have freaked..Especially the smaller aircraft.


14 posted on 04/12/2011 12:20:58 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

An understatement for sure.


15 posted on 04/12/2011 12:21:28 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rawhide

Thanks for that.


16 posted on 04/12/2011 12:23:47 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
London residents Claire Bandy and Poppy Lawton were arriving in New York City for the week, but told CBS 2′s Derricke Dennis they got a welcome they never expected.

“We were just waiting. We were kind of all having a chat saying it was a bit annoying and then suddenly there was this big bang from one side of the plane,” Bandy said.

“I think it was the tail of the big Air France jet that hit the back of us or something.”

“The engine of the Air France jet that hit the tail of us and pushed round, and pushed our front end around the other way,” Lawton said.

They said their Delta plane actually swerved sideways on impact, but quickly came to a stop.

“Just crushing noises, like whoa! It sounded like smashing glass or something’s breaking,” Lawton said.

17 posted on 04/12/2011 12:26:36 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
The engine of the Air France jet that hit the tail of us and pushed round, and pushed our front end around the other way,” Lawton said.

A close look at the video shows it was not the engine of the larger aircraft, but the wing tip, which stuck the tail of the smaller aircraft.

18 posted on 04/12/2011 12:28:46 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: buccaneer81

“It appeared that the smaller plane had moved too soon, according to a person familiar with the matter”-—quoted from this article. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704662604576257702184905170.html


19 posted on 04/12/2011 12:36:55 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: dragnet2

I agree, that is what it looks like to me.


20 posted on 04/12/2011 12:40:00 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: buccaneer81

Something like this happened to me once. Except I was driving a F350 crew cab (aka Air bus 380) and the little plane was a Geo Metro.

Had much the same results in the mall parking lot. And to think their insurance company tried to blame ME for not stopping even though they backed in to the rear door of the truck.


21 posted on 04/12/2011 12:50:30 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: buccaneer81
And that ain't no "small plane," either. That's a stretch 9, or a MD-80, only comparatively small next to the Air Bus. That quite a tribute to the gear and superstructure, because that was quite a jolt. There were some full diapers on that smaller passenger jet and more than a few cases of real whiplash.

Ouch!

22 posted on 04/12/2011 1:02:31 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: dragnet2

Touche’d


23 posted on 04/12/2011 1:07:25 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: rawhide

Pilot in Command is ultimately responsible.


24 posted on 04/12/2011 2:34:21 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: buccaneer81

Its a good thing Delta and Air France have an alliance with each other. They should be able to “make things right” fairly easily.


25 posted on 04/12/2011 3:16:54 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: rawhide

I wonder who is at fault here, the ground crew, pilots, or tower?

I would think the ground crew, was probably getting close to half hour coffee break time for the union members


26 posted on 04/12/2011 4:07:32 AM PDT by bikerman (Where Has My America Gone?)
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To: rawhide

Neither pilot at fault.

This type of accident is happening more and more.

If you go back and look at the video, you will see that before and after the collision there are a number of unidentified lights darting in and out.

These are ETS and most likely angels that did this to keep these planes from flying that night. They probably knew that they were destined to have an in-flight accident that night.

Evidence at most airports are showing this to be a less than rare occurrence. We are truly not alone.


27 posted on 04/12/2011 5:09:11 AM PDT by 11johara28
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To: rawhide
I wonder who is at fault here, the ground crew, pilots, or tower?

According to FAR's, ultimately the responsibility for the safety of the aircraft and the passengers lies with the pilot at all times when he/she is in a position of control.

28 posted on 04/12/2011 5:11:40 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: buccaneer81

Update:
Authorities believe the Comair pilot, who was instructed to taxi to the ramp after landing, stopped partly in the ramp area and partly in the taxiway when struck, said a federal aviation official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Anthony Black, a Delta spokesman, declined comment.

Airlines’ Response

“This could be a simple problem of Comair not pulling up quite far enough, and other people not noticing,” said William Voss, chief executive officer of the non-profit Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Virginia, in an interview.

“Comair might not have stopped in an outrageous spot for every other airplane in the world,” though the A380’s wingspan may have erased any margin for error, Voss said.

The National Transportation Safety Board will examine the steps taken by the pilots and controllers’ instructions, said Keith Holloway, a board spokesman. The FAA and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates John F. Kennedy International Airport, also are investigating.

Airbus’s A380 has a wingspan of 80 metres and is the largest passenger jet made. It was carrying 520 people when it hit the 107-foot-long Bombardier CRJ700, which flew 62 passengers and four crew members from Boston.

Because of the A380’s size, controllers may have had difficulty seeing the Bombardier plane as the larger jet passed, while keeping the Air France pilot from seeing that the wing wouldn’t clear the smaller aircraft, consultants said.

“It’s really hard to miss an A380, but the other airplane could be totally not visible from the tower,” said Richard Healing, a former NTSB member who is a senior partner at R Cubed Consulting in Washington. “They will certainly look at what the communications were, who was told to taxi and who was told to hold. They’ll be looking at it from inside the airplanes and from traffic control.”

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/weve-been-hit-by-air-france-superjumbo-collision-investigation-20110413-1ddag.html


29 posted on 04/12/2011 8:32:40 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: buccaneer81
The damaged left wing tip of the Air France Airbus A380.


30 posted on 04/12/2011 8:34:07 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: dragnet2
The damage to the rudder and the vertical fin and horizontal tail of the Bombardier CRJ-700


31 posted on 04/12/2011 8:36:19 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Merely a flesh wound ;-)


32 posted on 04/12/2011 8:37:18 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Prospero

Actually, it was a bit smaller; a CRJ-700.


33 posted on 04/12/2011 8:40:24 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rawhide

Everyone was very lucky it was not much worse.


34 posted on 04/12/2011 8:45:55 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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If this was a Bombardier CRJ700 (I believe it was) then the absolute minimum it could weigh is 43,500 pounds. That is just the plane; no fuel, passengers, cargo, etc...and it was tossed around like a toy.


35 posted on 04/12/2011 9:06:06 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson; rawhide
If this was a Bombardier CRJ700 (I believe it was) then the absolute minimum it could weigh is 43,500 pounds. That is just the plane; no fuel, passengers, cargo, etc...and it was tossed around like a toy.

And the A-380 pax said it was no more of a feeling than a speedbump.

Every airline passenger needs to see this video and realize there's a reason the crew says to stay seated and belted until told otherwise. I guarantee there were a few idiots aboard the CRJ who were in the aisle at impact.

36 posted on 04/12/2011 9:18:56 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Surely you jest?


37 posted on 04/12/2011 11:59:20 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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