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Houston we've had a problem: 'Space City' snubbed in bid for retired space shuttle
Houston Chronicle ^ | April 12, 2011 | Eric Berger

Posted on 04/12/2011 11:47:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

NASA administrator Charles Bolden announced today the four museums -- the Smithsonian Institution (Discovery), the California Science Center (Endeavour), Kennedy Space Center (Atlantis) and the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum (Enterprise) -- that will receive space shuttles for public display after the fleet retires this summer.

As expected Houston, the home of human spaceflight, was snubbed.

It's a shame. Houston's campaign, Bring the Shuttle Home, probably deserves some blame for being late to the game in terms of politicking for an orbiter.

But I'm not sure any campaign could have saved Houston. The politics of this decision were pretty clear. President Obama appoints the NASA administrator, and Texas is a decidedly Republican state.

"It is sad and unfortunate that politics played such an obvious role in the placement of theses retiring Orbiters," said Texas Congressman John Culberson. "The thought of an Orbiter not coming home to rest at Space Center Houston is truly tragic. It is analogous to Detroit without a Model-T, or Florence without a da Vinci."

Under the present leadership in the White House and Congress Texas has clearly lost some of its juice, noted Robert Stein, a political scientist at Rice University: "l don't think we're that powerful in Texas anymore. We don't have the clout we once did."

Texas used to do well even under politically divided government in Washington with representatives like Sens. John Tower and Lloyd Bentsen working together. "Right now that's not happening. Many Republicans in the Texas delegation are ideologues and they can't see anyway to make a deal. That hurts the state when it comes to decisions like this."

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.chron.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Florida; US: New York; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: partisanship; politics; spaceshuttle; tx

1 posted on 04/12/2011 11:48:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

After visiting Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum (Enterprise) last year, I knew that venue would get one of the shuttles... it is well worth the price of admission... very high profile location in the Big Apple too.


2 posted on 04/12/2011 11:53:10 AM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Barry hates Texas!


3 posted on 04/12/2011 11:54:04 AM PDT by poobear (FACTS - the turd in the punch bowl of liberal thought!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The space shuttle should be homed in a city with a high muslim population and turned into mosque.

It’s the only way to keep Obama happy.


4 posted on 04/12/2011 11:54:04 AM PDT by Gator113 (I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Trajan88

Yes,the shuttle is very impressive.


5 posted on 04/12/2011 11:54:38 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

so wrong that two go to the Northeast and one to California. None in FL, Houston, or the Wright Pat museum in OH.

I would have done one in DC for sure, and then two in some combination of CA, FL, and TX, depending on other factors. The damn things have been central to FL tourism and TX tourism for three decades. NY had nothing to do with it, and frankly doesn’t add anything to the tourist visits. There are a billion other things that attract tourists there. I see the value of one of the west coast because they did land there, and it would be accessible to regional tourists.


6 posted on 04/12/2011 11:55:39 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Shouldn’t they send one to Mecca? After all the muslims have made major contributions to out space effort... like...

ummm....

well....

Ok, but NASA’s mission is to make the jihadis feel better about themselves, right? So Mecca it is.


7 posted on 04/12/2011 11:55:44 AM PDT by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I see Seattle gets snubbed too. Even with the financially strapped city already spending millions on a facility to house a space shuttle. When I saw they were already building the facility, I said they would not get it and it would be money flushed down the toilet. I was right. Seattle is good at flushing money.
8 posted on 04/12/2011 11:56:40 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can’t say that the selections are particularly poor; they seem kind of logical. It’s just disgusting that politics even figured in the calculation at all. Had Challenger and Columbia survived the length of the program, I’d have like to have seen one each allocated to Houston and Wright-Patterson.


9 posted on 04/12/2011 11:59:33 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sorry. New York does not deserve a space shuttle.

Barry just wanted to screw Texas. I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole Johnson Space Center gets shut down.


10 posted on 04/12/2011 12:00:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: ilgipper
None in FL

KSC got one.

11 posted on 04/12/2011 12:00:37 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Frankly, I’m surprised Riyadh didn’t get one.


12 posted on 04/12/2011 12:00:55 PM PDT by SaveTheChief
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To: poobear

And.....The Houston Comical LOVES Stroker!


13 posted on 04/12/2011 12:01:22 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: KevinDavis

Ping.


14 posted on 04/12/2011 12:01:22 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: ilgipper

Yeah, I was pulling for Wright Pat., since i’s just right down the road....


15 posted on 04/12/2011 12:01:29 PM PDT by colinhester
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To: poobear
Barry hates Texas!

Texas hates Barry more!

16 posted on 04/12/2011 12:02:40 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Were we expecting anything but politics from Obamao.


17 posted on 04/12/2011 12:02:59 PM PDT by Carley (UNION AGITATORS, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: ilgipper

Kennedy did get one. Bolden made the announcement about “his” selections at KSC.

Now, I think Texans should just “steal” that one going to LA and dare them to come take it.

And as for NYC! Get a rope!

As they say, it is what it is, and this is blatant politics.

Childish and so very Barry.

They can’t take away the history or the great work the people in Houston and the JSC family did. We’d rather be Texans and conservative than progressives with a shuttle on the lawn.


18 posted on 04/12/2011 12:03:02 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Trajan88

The Intrepid is getting the prototype. I has no engine and it has never flown.


19 posted on 04/12/2011 12:03:48 PM PDT by Carley (UNION AGITATORS, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The word here in Ohio is that Dayton’s fate was sealed when the GOP swept every elective office here on November 2. Dead serious.


20 posted on 04/12/2011 12:03:57 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
"The word here in Ohio is that Dayton’s fate was sealed when the GOP swept every elective office here on November 2. Dead serious."

Living in Louisiana, I find that perfectly believeable. Down here, you can frequently identify voting district boundaries by where the blacktop abruptly turns into dirt road. Dead serious :-)

21 posted on 04/12/2011 12:07:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ilgipper
so wrong that two go to the Northeast and one to California. None in FL, Houston, or the Wright Pat museum in OH.

The Kennedy Space Center isn't in Florida?

22 posted on 04/12/2011 12:12:30 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: dread78645
The Kennedy Space Center isn't in Florida?

Locals call it the Cape (for Cape Canaveral). the politicos tried to rename it Cape Kennedy, but failed.

23 posted on 04/12/2011 12:16:05 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: poobear
"Barry hates Texas!"

Houston was taken off the list after Sheila Jackson-Lee was promised the flag from Mars.

24 posted on 04/12/2011 12:21:00 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Many Republicans in the Texas delegation are ideologues and they can't see anyway to make a deal.

Yeah, make a deal to have all your teeth pulled without novacaine.

Make a deal to have your firstborn burned alive.

Make a deal to drink Drano, topped off with a pint of battery acid.

Make a deal to have your toenails trimmed with a lawnmower.

I think we've had enough of your deals. And definitely Obummer's gonna find out that what goes around comes around. Personally I'll take every opportunity to give the man what he deserves.

25 posted on 04/12/2011 12:27:07 PM PDT by jimt
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To: All
To be clear......re: "Get a rope!"

It's a pun, a take off on the Pecante Salsa commercial where the TX cattle trail riders heard the salsa they were being fed was made in New York City.

"New York City?!"

"Get a rope!"

26 posted on 04/12/2011 12:29:36 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Joe 6-pack; Howie66; lonestar

;D! The irony.

Dang I wish y’all were my neighbors!


27 posted on 04/12/2011 12:29:58 PM PDT by poobear (FACTS - the turd in the punch bowl of liberal thought!)
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To: jimt

Thank you so much for addressing the “making a deal” bs.


28 posted on 04/12/2011 12:30:51 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: brownsfan

[ Shouldn’t they send one to Mecca? After all the muslims have made major contributions to out space effort... like...

ummm....

well....

Ok, but NASA’s mission is to make the jihadis feel better about themselves, right? So Mecca it is. ]

In a display of Moose-limb understanding the black heat tiles on the belly of the shuttle will be pried off and sold to Moose-limbs as “Black Kaaba” Replica stones.....


30 posted on 04/12/2011 12:43:20 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I agree the one set for LA should’ve went to Houston and the one for NYC to Wright Patterson.


31 posted on 04/12/2011 12:56:14 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rockwell had a pretty convincing mock up in the Downey plant.
I'd think that would be more appropriate for the L.A. site because it shows part of the process of building such a machine.
Houston / JSC certainly should have received one of the flown shuttles.
Posing a space shuttle on the deck of an aircraft carrier is asinine, particularly since N.Y. had nothing to do with the program.
32 posted on 04/12/2011 12:59:05 PM PDT by norton
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To: lonestar

“Barry hates Texas!

Texas hates Barry more!”

I would like to see a concerted effort to let Stroker KNOW that we truly hate his guts and that we don’t give a flying f**k about what he thinks of us.

Go To Hell, Stroker!


33 posted on 04/12/2011 1:14:45 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If they hadn't blown up two shuttles and killed 14 astronauts they'd have more intact shuttles to retire.

Kennedy makes sense, that's where they've all launched.

CA makes sense, it's where all were built and many missions ended.

Smithsonian makes sense, that's our "national museum."

But NY? Why there? TX had a stronger case.

34 posted on 04/12/2011 1:17:18 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama's successor to be sworn in Fri, Jan. 20, 2017.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Had they survived there would never have been an Endevour. They should have skipped New York and given one to Wright-Pat. Without Air Force funding and DoD missions the thing would have never been built.


35 posted on 04/12/2011 1:17:50 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: All; chris_bdba
I agree the one set for LA should’ve went to Houston and the one for NYC to Wright Patterson.

Why? ALL shuttles were built in Palmdale, CA, north of L.A. Many missions ended at Edwards AFB in California.

36 posted on 04/12/2011 1:20:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama's successor to be sworn in Fri, Jan. 20, 2017.)
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To: buccaneer81
The word here in Ohio is that Dayton’s fate was sealed when the GOP swept every elective office here on November 2. Dead serious.

Not surprised a bit. It's the Chicago Way!
37 posted on 04/12/2011 1:22:13 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TalonDJ
"Without Air Force funding and DoD missions the thing would have never been built."

True enough. And while I'm no apologist for NYC (or defender of this particular decision), one has to acknowledge that more folks will probably see it in NYC than would at Wright-Patterson. Also, the Intrepid did play an integral role in the Mercury and Gemini missions upon which the subsequent space program was built. I think the decision is a little more palatable when one thinks of it being awarded specifically to the Intrepid Museum, and not generally to NYC.

38 posted on 04/12/2011 1:26:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The only reason Houston had anything to do with the whole thing from the start was political pork. The old look how many jobs I got here, never mind they took the money from the tax payers. The government is just so much better at spending your money.


39 posted on 04/12/2011 1:35:23 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: chris_bdba; All

This morning in The Wall Street Journal (just before the announcement) Andy Pasztor wrote this (now the story line has changed):

“......Separately, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration Tuesday is expected to pick museums in New York, Florida and Texas as recipients of three of the four shuttles slated for retirement by year end, according to people familiar with the matter.....”— WSJ April 12, 2011 12:08 P.M. ET


40 posted on 04/12/2011 3:25:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Howie66
Remember the feds moved the military truck plant from Sealy to Wisconsin or Minnesota.

Barry is a vindictive little b*tch.

41 posted on 04/12/2011 3:49:07 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: newzjunkey

Well that is the location of the USAF musem and many of the Apollo and earlier space ships.They are very disappointed in being over looked:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123251285


42 posted on 04/12/2011 8:20:17 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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Putting a shuttle aboard an aircraft carrier seems quite odd to me.

Very glad to see a flight shuttle going to the Smithsonian, though.


43 posted on 04/13/2011 4:00:46 PM PDT by Rio
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