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To: frog in a pot
It is not the State Department that is making that judgment. It is the law of the land as incorporated into US Code. Birthright citizenship is a reality. People who are born here are entitled to all of the benefits of citizenship.

We can argue over what various phrases were intended to mean under the 14th amendment or SCOTUS decisions, but the fact remains that we recognize birthright citizenship. This applies to all federal benefits, including the right to vote. Stop castigating the State Department for enforcing our laws.

Birthright Citizenship in the United States: A Global Comparison

91 posted on 04/12/2011 5:32:19 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

The SCOTUS is in on the fraud all the way. Say hello to 6.00 4/GAL GAS.


92 posted on 04/12/2011 5:50:59 PM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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To: kabar
Look, all of those "citizenship" decisions were made only by State Department ~ with no support whatsoever from statutes or USSC decisions for their interpretation.

That means they are merely administrative decisions and can all be reversed with a single additional decision that takes a different course with a different nuance.

That's all you have to base the citizenship of about 30 million people on. BTW, the no ex post facto constitutional requirement has no impact whatsoever on mere ministerial functions ~ the State Department citizenship decisions in these cases are as permanent as a complaint about overpayment of postage, and may well be of less legal notice than those overpayments ~ lord forbid we are talking about a postage deficiency!

I'd think you'd want legislation to amplify and instruct the Constitutional clause.

95 posted on 04/12/2011 6:41:38 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: kabar; muawiyah
It is the law of the land as incorporated into US Code.

You have stated that in several of your threads and I have no doubt you are sincere. However, "the law of the land" that would support anchor baby citizenship is not to be found in TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401, as I pointed out upthread.

Can you cite a law that does support such citizenship?
Do you know of any USSC decision that supports it?

Thank you for the link in your reply. It gives us this statement: “Nevertheless, the practice has become the de facto law of the land without any input from Congress or the American public.”
If you agree with that statement you and I are not that far apart.

It is not the State Department that is making that judgment.

That may be technically correct. However, State is the branch of government responsible for issuing passports.
Are they immune from criticism if they issue to non-citizens, U.S. passports that indicate the bearer is a citizen?

...but the fact remains that we recognize birthright citizenship.

We certainly do, but only as a matter of policy or unappealed political lower court decisions. America has not been paying attention and things are a mess and heading for serious problems. Politicians have made the U.S. taxpayers the welfare and health department for other nations in return for which the politicans get the votes of those welfare recipients. That is a sweet deal.

Have you ever wondered for what purpose every BC issued in America, at least perhaps until recently, indicated the birthplace of the parents?

Thank you. kabar, for bearing with me.

102 posted on 04/12/2011 9:54:34 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Islamic and Communist totalitarians share the same goal - global domination via jihad.)
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