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To: Red in Blue PA

In 2008...what was the price of oil compared to the price of gas?

July 2008 crude oil was $137.11 and gas prices were about this high. http://dow-futures.net/historical-crude-oil-prices-history-2008/

So oil is now just a little over $100...and gas prices are this high?

Where’s all the screaming and yelling today about the speculators or are we just supposed to wave our hands and call it inflation? Where is all this profit taking and looting going?


18 posted on 04/13/2011 6:53:19 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: EBH
Anyone know if we are at the point where refineries are switching their seasonal blends? Maybe some are offline or running diminished as this work is taking place??

/shot in the dark..

24 posted on 04/13/2011 7:01:30 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: EBH
Keep in mind that unlike 2008, the commonly quoted “oil price” is about $10 below the normal difference in global market oil price.

When the media reports oil price in the US, they use the price for WTI deliveried to Cushing, OK. That is done because it is the basis for the NYSE commodities oil price for next month.

Cushing is having a surplus of oil due to larger domestic production around the Permian basin and some other factors. Where the WTI price has normally been a premium to our imported oil price, it is now trading at a discount.

But that doesn't change the fact that most of the oil we use in the US is imported. So most of our Gasoline is from the higher priced oil than that quoted in the media.

If you look at the following two source of data you can see this switch. The latest average cost of domestic oil is a few dollars cheaper than our average imported price. Back in July of 2008 the imported price was several dollars less.

U.S. Crude Oil Domestic Acquisition Cost by Refiners
http://eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=R1200____3&f=M

U.S. Crude Oil Imported Acquisition Cost by Refiners
http://eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=R1300____3&f=M

So the price of oil that is quoted by the media represents a minority of the oil that is actually processed in this county. And since 2008, the ratio of domestic oil versus imported oil has raised which compounds that difference.

26 posted on 04/13/2011 7:11:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: EBH
Where’s all the screaming and yelling today about the speculators

In the 1973 -1974 oil crisis (the "oil embargo") American news media ran photos and video showing hundreds of loaded oil tankers offshore of American ports, waiting over the horizon for oil prices to get bumped up before they would come in and unload.

They were basically being used as floating storage to exploit price swings. There were so many tankers doing this worldwide that there was an actual shortage of tankers to transport new oil.

Of course in 1973 Richard Nixon was president, so the media had no problem attacking him and his policies over the price of oil. Today there is little chance they will do anything that would connect skyrocketing oil prices to Obama's inept administration and destructive policies.


56 posted on 04/13/2011 8:35:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: EBH

“In 2008...what was the price of oil compared to the price of gas?

July 2008 crude oil was $137.11 and gas prices were about this high. http://dow-futures.net/historical-crude-oil-prices-history-2008/

So oil is now just a little over $100...and gas prices are this high?

Where’s all the screaming and yelling today about the speculators or are we just supposed to wave our hands and call it inflation? Where is all this profit taking and looting going?”

That was pre- QE 27.


77 posted on 04/13/2011 11:08:31 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: EBH
"Where’s all the screaming and yelling today about the speculators or are we just supposed to wave our hands and call it inflation? Where is all this profit taking and looting going?"

In foreign manufacturing plants, where new consumers are using more oil. Sincerely, though, oil's been up steadier this time than in 2008. It's no short spike, and it's not really due to news about uprisings in the Middle East. Manufacturing production and its employees require more oil. And meantime, we're de-industrializing.


81 posted on 04/13/2011 1:11:24 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: EBH

Speculators are not the dynamic in prices rising.
They follow the trend wherever it goes and right now the trend is upward.

The fact that there is now QE is the major dynamic along with a chilling effect by the current adim on drilling exploration and excessive regulation to achieve a political, not economic, agenda.

Don’t expect major downward trends just yet.


86 posted on 04/13/2011 2:46:36 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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