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1 posted on 04/17/2011 8:34:41 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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They just don’t care whether he’s eligible or not. Instead they teach that he doesn’t need to be NBC.


2 posted on 04/17/2011 8:37:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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So does this mean Barry can release his birth record that lists his parents, hospital and doctor??? That's all we are asking!
3 posted on 04/17/2011 8:39:22 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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They should be careful with this... are they calling Barry a Liar??? Barry says he was born on US soil.


5 posted on 04/17/2011 8:42:03 PM PDT by Safrguns
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There is a town in Kenya missing its village idiot. Also, Obama does not have a father who is a U.S.A. citizen. Obama cannot run for president.
7 posted on 04/17/2011 8:44:37 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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The Left try to make out like Trump and other “birthers” are crazy but if he and other keep pushing this, Obama , sooner or later will have to do or show something. Keep up the articles and the pressure people. Two months ago no one but a few were pushing this, now even Blacks are doubting.
8 posted on 04/17/2011 8:44:47 PM PDT by fish hawk (I'm an Atlas Shrugged Conservative)
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The Left try to make out like Trump and other “birthers” are crazy but if he and other keep pushing this, Obama , sooner or later will have to do or show something. Keep up the articles and the pressure people. Two months ago no one but a few were pushing this, now even Blacks are doubting.
9 posted on 04/17/2011 8:44:58 PM PDT by fish hawk (I'm an Atlas Shrugged Conservative)
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Looks like the BC issue is really getting some traction throughout the country. I wonder how that happened?


10 posted on 04/17/2011 8:45:49 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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My copy of the U.S. Constitution shows Ammendment XXII, Section 1 discusses how no one may be president for more than 2 terms. Nothing is mentioned about Natural Born Citizen.


12 posted on 04/17/2011 8:47:35 PM PDT by Mother Mary
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Bump.


14 posted on 04/17/2011 8:48:49 PM PDT by thecodont
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More fun:

Is Obama a Saudi Agent? Watch "The Mansourian Candidate"

You have to check this out too! Wild music..

17 posted on 04/17/2011 8:50:13 PM PDT by dalight
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More fun:

Is Obama a Saudi Agent? Watch "The Mansourian Candidate"

You have to check this out too! Wild music..

18 posted on 04/17/2011 8:50:19 PM PDT by dalight
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I love how they misquote the law at the bottom. First implying that it is about Natural Born Citienship, which it isn't. It is about passing on Citizenship to a child if born abroad. Here is the true text of the law :

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

She did not live in the US for 5 years after the age of 14 before he was born. If he was born overseas, he would not have US citizenship.

20 posted on 04/17/2011 8:56:07 PM PDT by TheCipher
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Is that the whole ad or was the bottom cut off? There is no conclusion, and it doesn’t complete the law from that time where in order to confer citizenship on your baby if you are an American citizen giving birth abroad, and the other parent is NOT a citizen, you need to have lived in the USA for 5 years after the age of 15 (or is it 16?), and Stanley Ann was only 18 years old at Barry’s birth.

So by the ad’s definition he would not even have been a citizen AT ALL, let alone a natural born one.

If that is so, he would have had to have been naturalized at some point. And if that is so, there would of course be no record of a birth certificate in HI or any other state.


21 posted on 04/17/2011 8:57:39 PM PDT by Yaelle
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The ad is bogus on two counts.
Constitution XXII deals with term limits.
Sec 1401 defines citizens and naturals. Sec 1401 does not define Natural Born Citizens.

The Constitution has different requirements for Congress/Senate, versus the President. The definitions are different, for good reason


23 posted on 04/17/2011 9:00:17 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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That ad is hilarious! Trying to point out that even if he was born oversea that he would be a U.S. Citizen. U.S. Citizen is not the same as Natural born. And, it even states the year he was born if born oversea would disqualify him to even be a citizen of the U.S. since his mother missed the 5 year age requirement after 14. We have an illegal alien as a president! Oh my...... lmao


26 posted on 04/17/2011 9:12:24 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401
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§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
Try again

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
Ohhh > provided that...

0bama cannot catch a break


27 posted on 04/17/2011 9:14:31 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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They lie! Title 8, section 1401 does not contain the term, “Natural Born” — much less define it!


29 posted on 04/17/2011 9:23:11 PM PDT by TXnMA (America's most Orwellian oxymoronic acronym: "DOJ"...)
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Hey ... what does it matter what the riff-raff think when ya got the brass ring clutched in your sweaty palm.


35 posted on 04/17/2011 9:44:19 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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Shhhhhhh!

Let them run the ad. Trump can hold it up and say, “Look what this group of Obama supporters has to say about this issue.”


37 posted on 04/17/2011 9:48:10 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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Misleading title: what they really seem to be trying to say is that "even if" Obama were born outside the U.S., he's a natural born citizen and thus eligible.

The ad cites 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401, apparently for the proposition that so long as one parent was a U.S. citizen, it doesn't matter that the child was born outside the U.S.

The interesting thing about 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401 is that it starts this way:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

What's interesting about this "shall be" language?

One theory of natural born citizenship is that it is the citizenship one naturally is born with simply because of one's bloodline. It is NOT conveyed by the act of any Sovereign (monarch, country, etc.).

It seems that one could argue that this section of the U.S. Code explicitly demonstrates that those born in circumstances that are said to pertain to Barack Obama (the child of one American citizen and an alien, possibly born outside the United States) are not "naturally" Americans, but are deemed American --- note the language in the Code --- nationals and citizens AT birth.

So, first, the Code doesn't say such individuals are "natural born citizens." It says they are deemed, by affirmative grant of law, "nationals and citizens." Duh. No one says Obama is not an American citizen. The question birthers raise is: is he a "natural born citizen"? And there's an argument to be made that this section of the U.S. Code doesn't answer that question definitively.

Remember the Code doesn't say such individuals are "nationals and citizens AT birth"? It says the Sovereign deems that they "shall be" something they otherwise were NOT -- "nationals and citizens" and this shall be deemed to have occurred at the time of birth.

Even if one were to find that nationals somehow means "natural born," the second point is that this section of the Code explicitly states that the subject status, that of nationals and citizens, is deemed to be granted by the Sovereign AT birth.

The citizenship one is naturally born with (based on the ancient legal principle that no man can be born without a country) is already present upon (arguably even before) birth. So, again, there is an argument to be made that 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401 explicitly demonstrates that the status of "nationals and citizens" is one that is deemed by the Sovereign and, therefore, not necessarily the same thing as one's natural citizenship status.

(Sorry Black Newspaper Publishers Association.)

38 posted on 04/17/2011 9:49:46 PM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding their comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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