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Scientists Abuzz Over Controversial Rumor that God Particle Has Been Detected
LiveScience.com ^ | 4/22/11 | Mike Wall

Posted on 04/22/2011 9:57:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: SJSAMPLE
"We're a thousand years away from fusion, IMHO. But, if we don't do the research, we're 1001 years away, and counting. At some point, we have to think past our own lifetimes.

All this applies to fission as well. By today, we could have had intrinsically safe fission reactors in place and working (we do have intrinsically safe reactor DESIGNS, but they have not been commercialized).

And don't give up on fusion quite yet. There are versions of both hot AND "cold" fusion that are much closer to realization than you might think (although I think you are correct on the "magnetically confined" versions).

The hot fusion design can be found with search terms {"bussard polywell"}....without the curly brackets, of course.

The cold fusion design can be found with search terms {Rossi "cold fusion"}...again without the curly brackets.

I'm using search terms rather than links so you can see both the positive and negative points from various people, rather than providing a direct link to each so as not to "pre-prejudice" what you might see.

41 posted on 04/23/2011 6:01:11 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Myrddin

Imbecilc Luddite alert...


42 posted on 04/23/2011 8:01:37 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m sponsoring a car in NASCAR called THE SCIENCEMOBILE. I’ve got three physicists from MIT to drive it. They’re going to make one right turn and see what happens. My hypothesis is that they’ll find the God particle.


43 posted on 04/23/2011 9:22:24 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: norwaypinesavage

“If it becomes possible to send messages backwards in time, why aren’t we reading those messages from the future, now?”

Two possible answers: first the messages from the future can only be obtained one the technology is invented to capture entangled particles from the future.

Second, these message have been obtain, but are not publicized. The diagrams of Da Vinci seem to be more than anticipations of the future. http://www.mos.org/sln/Leonardo/VisionsoftheFuture.html

Third, we may be able to do anticipate future events mentally with uncanny intuitions.

New physics will show how effect proceeds cause.

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2007/07/17/4350992-backward-research-goes-forward


44 posted on 04/23/2011 12:25:55 PM PDT by garjog
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To: tet68
There has got to be a way to explode the universe, after all it happened before.

Simple. All you have to do is cram all the matter in the entire universe into a space a billion times smaller than the period at the end of this sentence. Then say these four little words: Let there be light.....

45 posted on 04/23/2011 6:45:17 PM PDT by Red Badger (Mitt Romney: The Harold Stassen of the 21st century........)
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To: Stosh

Then it would be on par with the meson.....


46 posted on 04/23/2011 6:48:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (Mitt Romney: The Harold Stassen of the 21st century........)
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To: Red Badger

I think that’s what Obama is working on.
He’s going to print all the money in the world
and compress it down to fit into the US treasury
and then say the magic words,”Let there be debt.”


47 posted on 04/23/2011 7:51:11 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ottbmare

“you are assuming people are doing this just “to show that all we see could have happened by chance (dumb luck).”

First I am not assuming that SOME of the people are doing this research to prove just what I said. I have read their research articles and SOME of them have stated as such. The rest of the researchers might have different reasons...reasons that I am not aware of.

“That is not at all why anyone does research.”

That is a pretty absolute statement...so NOBODY ever does research to try to prove that this world came about in a way different then...”In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

You may want to rethink that statement.


48 posted on 04/23/2011 7:57:38 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: TXnMA

A victim of the public school system, probably. How can one explain the life of the mind and the pursuit of pure knowledge to such a person?


49 posted on 04/23/2011 8:08:21 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: WorldviewDad

I know a lot of scientists. I did my graduate work in one of the “hard” science areas. I never met a single scientist who said, “I’m going to devote my life to proving that those stupid Christians are wrong and this whole thing came about by chance.”

People go into any scientific discipline because they are absolutely fascinated with it, not because they want to show everybody that Christians are wrong. Many scientists, especially the young ones who don’t have administrative responsibilities yet, will tell you gleefully that they’re thrilled some research facility is willing to pay them to spend all day in a lab, because they’re so enchanted with the work that they’d pay to do it. It’s love and delight, not some nasty contempt, that fuels most of them. Please don’t rely for your ideas about scientists on obnoxious types like Richard Dawkins.

You may be surprised to learn this, but many scientists have religious faith. Some even study science with delight in discovering how God created some particular aspect of the universe or the living world. I’ve talked to some physicists, including one in my own family, who admit that they want to know exactly how “in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” Lately I have been corresponding to a mathematician who ecstatically describes mathematics as “the language of God” (not an original concept with him, by the way).

And if somebody wasn’t pursuing pure science with no direct, immediate application, we wouldn’t have developed the technology that allows you to write this to me on a computer and send it through the Internet to Free Republic, where I can disabuse you of your inaccurate ideas about scientific research.

A very blessed Easter to you.


50 posted on 04/23/2011 8:28:05 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Perhaps the quagmire of reality is a push’ No one in the future to send to the present and no one in the past to receive what we send. We need to go after/find the beginning, call it something.


51 posted on 04/23/2011 8:46:50 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: NormsRevenge

52 posted on 04/23/2011 8:56:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You say your'e conservative, but you support liberals. Should I believe your words or your actions?)
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To: TXnMA
So you like being taxed to pay for study of the mating habits of some oddball creature as part of a government funded study? This kind of crap drains massive amounts of money for no useful purpose. Research that identifies useful principles or processes that can be applied in the future is worthy of funding.
53 posted on 04/23/2011 8:58:54 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ottbmare
I too know a lot of scientists and also have several that are in my extended family. And yes, MOST of them go into science because they are fascinated by it. That is why I clearly stated that SOME of them have stated in their papers that they are trying to disprove God. Have I ever heard a scientist make your statement...”I’m going to devote my life to proving that those stupid Christians are wrong and this whole thing came about by chance.”...No...but I know some that think that Christians are stupid because they do not believe in evolution by chance...not much of a difference. You even pointed out one in your response to me.

I am not surprised that many scientists have religious faith...I have been reading some of their papers and attending some of their lectures for decades. My personal library is filled with a lot of material that is published by scientists that have faith as well as some that is published by scientists that argue against faith. I understand that people (scientists are people) will come down on different sides on the issue of faith in God.

My point from my original post was that we are spending a huge amount of time and money with what I do not see as a clear reason why. The only clearly stated reason I have seen published is to show that we can get a clearer picture of the “big bang” and to understand how the universe started...and in all of the articles I have read God is not allowed to be part of the answer. Is there another reason for this research? So far I have read on this thread things such as...something about creation reduced to an equation (-1+1=0), making of bombs, being able to transport messages back in time...but not being able to read them...

So of all the reasons that I have been given so far the only one that sounds familiar is creation being reduced to an equation...

God's blessing to you as well

54 posted on 04/23/2011 9:08:42 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: NormsRevenge

I read a story critique that stated the Scientists actually got the particle spin wrong. They actually found the “DOG particle” ... nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!


55 posted on 04/25/2011 1:04:41 PM PDT by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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