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To: caww
What planet do you live on? Of course other people are hurt by trans people. Visually it creates confusion...parents have to somehow explain to children the "weirdo"...

Come again? Educating your child that you live in a diverse world full of all sort of people, not all of whom are approved of in your moral system, is "hurting" you or the child? It's called a "teachable moment." Unless of course you had intended to raise your child to hate and fear anyone different or "immoral." Still, it's a chance to teach that, too, if you want.

let alone the educational system which is now attempting to give them their place their...protecting them creates enormous problems of confusion...

What sort of confusion? that they might have more open minds and loving hearts than you would wish for them to? it's not necessary to teach a child that a thing is right in order to teach them that it exists, and how to be decent to other human beings regardless of their meeting with your disapproval. NOT teaching them creates situation where the children are hateful and mean to a person with a gender (or sexuality) issue until that person eats a bullet.

But hey, if we can bully them into a grave then they are no one's problem anymore, right? WIN! WIN!

not to mention the sheer discomfort of looking at them trying to be something they are not.

NOW we get to the root of it - DISCOMFORT! OMGWTFLOL you have been made UNCOMFORTABLE!!! let me bust out my handy guide to American values....hmmm...here it is....right to life, liberty, and not being made uncomfortable! Gosh, I dunno how I missed that earlier!

There's a young man now without a job, an elderly woman who was hit... and the reputation of MCDonalds all in play now. Each one of these has had pain from this man attempting to be something he is not, regardless of their involvement...he set the stage.

not at all - bigotry set the stage. why is the young woman unpopular, and a source of controversy? Because bigots like YOU do your best to see to it that anyone who makes you "uncomfortable" is ostracized from society until they die in a ditch so you can be comfortable. The older lady was struck because people who think JUST LIKE YOU struck her.

Think about that for a minute hero - the person playing the part of YOU in that drama, the person who thinks exactly what YOU THINK in that scene - was the thugette beating the crap out of a helpless victim. You must be so proud.

Society is not "afraid" of them as you stated. Has nothing to do with fear.

No, you cleared that up - has to do with COMFORT. so much more noble.

Has to do with their, and others like them , parading themselves and their "weirdness", demanding they be recognized and accepted when it goes against the very nature and culture which we live.

Are these the only weird people you see around you? Maybe we need a nice pogrom to round up all the "weird" people so normal people like you can be "comfortable" again. After all, we all know cultural tradition trumps everything, right? don't you long for the good old days when cultural tradition told you to wear a powdered wig, and your wife not to own property? Heck, remember the great cultural tradition where only property owners could vote - but property could include a human being? those were the days!!

And I don't care what type of upbringing they've had...others have had far worse and did not make the choice to be a trans.

you'll be happy to know that no one makes the "choice" to be trans. They only make the choice to suffer in silence lest your comfort be disturbed, or live honestly even though you might be uncomfortable with it.

or any other sexual perverted lifestyle...

Sexually perverted? - the vast majority of trans people know what they are before they are 10 years old - how did they chose a sexual perversion before they even knew what sex was?

and nobody puts a gun to their heads and "Makes them marry" anyone as you stated. It is a choice they made.

oh it's definitely a choice to marry. I never said otherwise - I said it's a choice based on a lie. If I tell you that if you pack your stuff and move across the country and I'll give you a job which pays you $1 million a year, and you move and then find there's no job, was the move a choice on your part? Yup.

Trans people are told from before puberty (and yes, they know at that age) that they are "freaks" and "perverts" (perverts before they even know what sex is - howzat work exactly?) and that normal people will hate and dispose them. If they are religious they are told to "give it to God" and he'll heal them (with the obvious implication that God hates what they are too - there's a lifetime of guilt for ya kid, have fun!). Gullibly, many of them believe the lies and try for decades to be "normal" too. Why did they make that choice? Because YOU lied to them just like you are lying to me and yourself right now.

Better they not marry at all then leave a trail of broken hearts with their mates and children.

that's the first smart thing you've said on the subject. I'm sure you'll dust yourself off and move on though.

The reason you see nothing reported is because most people who have encountered them, and been hurt by them, don't want to be in anyway associated with the fallout for reporting them.

Bull. if that were the case no case of child molestation or rape or even a peeping tom would EVER be reported. what makes those offenses different? let me answer that for ya - they HAPPEN. the ones you imagine from trans people DON'T.

Rather like woman who are raped don't report.

ALL of them? We have a rape rate of "zero" in the official record?

You're support of these people and encouragement that they be accepted as "normal" goes against the natural order of man and how he is created...and people are repulsed by them because they instinctively know it's wrong.

How god created humans in the natural order does not include a great many things that people are born with. god did not, in the created order, author dwarfism, or spina bifida, or deafness, or blindness, or autism - but they happen. God did not create, in the garden, cancer or heart disease or depression or bipolar disorder - but they happen. Because we live in a fallen world.

How can you explain this? I suppose you are "repulsed" by a dwarf too, right? one of those folks that used to pay money to go to the circus and laugh at the freaks? Ah the good ol' days again!!

It's a birth defect chief. Just like the other things I mentioned above. Just as regrettable. But it's here, the question is whether your comfort trumps their life.

It's UN-NATURAL and everyone knows that is so regardless of the push out there "It's their nature"...no it is not...it is their choice.

I can provide a perfectly rational, logical, ironclad explanation for how it CAN happen, with no assumptions and no moral judgments. you CAN'T provide a logical, rational,argument for why it CAN'T happen - not even a paper thin one.

your whole argument goes back to your subjective opinion.

I can beat you on science, I can beat you on logic, I can even beat you on your religious angle. all you have is your discomfort.

What I can't do is change your mind because you are far more attached to your opinion than your are to reality.

241 posted on 04/27/2011 12:42:01 AM PDT by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: WillRain; caww

Caww, I’m really surprised the homo-agenda pusher has stayed on FR so long. Tomorrow I’ll look into posting history and see what’s up.

WillRain, FR is not the site for pushing “gay” agenda crap. Got it?


242 posted on 04/27/2011 12:46:12 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: WillRain
Come again? Educating your child that you live in a diverse world full of all sort of people, not all of whom are approved of in your moral system, is "hurting" you or the child? It's called a "teachable moment."

Just for starters I do not teach my children the "diverse" world you apparently live in...nor acceptance of. I do teach them there are people who make choices and the responsibility for the outcome of those choices are their's...especially if they fly in the face of the natural order of life...and the laws of our land....Additionally, that there are consquences for their choices and actions which will always affect others..... None of which requires them to "see" weirdos for a ...."teachable moment", (which is out of the playbook of the Liberals).

NOT teaching them creates situation where the children are hateful and mean to a person with a gender (or sexuality) issue until that person eats a bullet.

No, children are not to be blamed for an individual who chooses to put a gun to their head... They pick it up and they decide when, if, or not to fire. It's a process that begins within their own mind, a choice to entertain the thought, refuse it, or get help to overcome it. Nobody puts a gun to their head they haven't long ago already contemplated.

It's not necessary to teach a child that a thing is right

Of course it is necessary to teach our children what is 'right', again what planet are you on?...the fact is you never have to teach them to do wrong, they do so instinctively for 'the nature' they are born with. Watch a toddler explore and you'll find they have to learn what "No" means very early, to protect them as a youngster, as well as from the dangers in the world they will one day be a part of as an adult. At the same time you encourage them when they do well and make right choices. The idea is you teach a child that life is about choices and how to make right choices and that their is a difference between right and wrong, as well as a compass which shows the way.

On your rant about "discomfort"....I would say yes, it is uncomfortable and repulsive to the umpth degree. You are free to be as you choose...but don't flaunt it in front of me or mine and tell me I have to accept it. For I have the freedom equally as so to find it repulsive, unnatural and unacceptable. Better you practice your perversion in the closet, privately, as was once the better way for all concerned...or seek the help to change the course on.

no one makes the "choice" to be transexual"

Oh but they do make that choice. They know from the very first 'thought' they had exactly what they are entertaining in their mind is not normal...and choose to follow thru in their actions and behavior. As with any wrongful act..it gets easier to ignore the "discomfort" by pushing past it and justifying it, or excusing it, or blaming it on someone or something else. But while the finger is pointing outward there are always three pointing back to ones self.

Transexual people know what they are before they are 10 years old

You really do need to look closer at normal child development. Your lack of knowledge in that area is revealing just by that statement alone.

Pretty much the rest of your post was the 'Natural' and expected rants and railings heard so many times from voices such as yours who attempt to intimidate and deceive the public, and not worth responding to. Furthermore comparing children born fead, blind and physically handicapped is not anything remotely to compare a transexual or other perverts with. Which starts in their mind and follows with a choice...long after birth.

What is interesting is how much people, as yourself, rant and rile about how people view and see transexuals and other perverts.... and yet throughout your post you've used language of the very 'nature' you accuse others of for differing with you. You can't have it just one way though you try to...and neither can they.

243 posted on 04/27/2011 2:08:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: WillRain
I can cite a number of studies as well, one in particular involved the mapping of the human genome. Guess what...no gay gene, no combination of genes resulted in a gay gene. Studies in Sweden have shown no significant difference in hormone levels between gay and straight men throughout their lives. Study after study points to the probability that homosexuality is a state of mind, yes there is an indication that it could be a condition similar to say Bi-polarism. Lets not forget the studies on mental health issues, increased syphilis rates, higher suicide rates and 33% higher STD rate. All related to gay men playing hide the salami.
Most of the post are having fun with the fact that the progressive must choose between a minority being in the wrong or a homosexual. I find that a funny conundrum and could careless if it offends gays. I do have issues with who uses what toilets. But it is all relative to you, right?
255 posted on 04/27/2011 10:55:15 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (Social engineers build bad bridges.)
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