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Obama’s Birth Certificate, Dissected
http://bryankeithnixon.com/?p=103 ^

Posted on 04/27/2011 10:13:46 AM PDT by RED SOUTH

I AM NOT A BIRTHER! But this one is too interesting to ignore. Upon hearing all the fuss about the newly released Certificate of Live Birth, I decided to open it up in Adobe Illustrator and see just what we were given by the White House. Judge for yourself but looks to be composed by multiple elements.


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1 posted on 04/27/2011 10:13:47 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: RED SOUTH

web site wont open can someone please paste what article says


2 posted on 04/27/2011 10:16:15 AM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: RED SOUTH; STARWISE; maggief; hoosiermama; Miss Didi; onyx

His site is crashing now. Isn’t this the guy from the comment section on smoking gun that Rush and everyone is talking about?


3 posted on 04/27/2011 10:17:54 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: RED SOUTH

Might be interesting if the link worked.


4 posted on 04/27/2011 10:17:54 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: RED SOUTH

Rush mentioned that if you put the .pdf file in Adobe Illustrator, it would show multiple layers. I did; it does. That means they added the elements that show in the blue bounding boxes THEN FORGOT TO flatten the image.

5 posted on 04/27/2011 10:18:14 AM PDT by aphid (Pay attention or you will lose the country you love.)
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To: remaxagnt

The software can explain this, creating the layers.

IMHO, this is not worth pursuing.


6 posted on 04/27/2011 10:18:42 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: remaxagnt

Weird , site is down , was up a minute ago. It shows photo of the document released by WH and the same document opened in Adobe and indicates the document was created in layers and could be a fraud.


7 posted on 04/27/2011 10:18:49 AM PDT by RED SOUTH (Follow me on twitter @redsouth72)
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To: RED SOUTH
In a Court of Law, a prosecutor would be allowed to enter into evidence against Obama all the:

Lies, frauds, crooked house deals, cheats, political deceptions, arrogant power grabs, detours around checks and balances, under the table dealings, stonewalling etc etc etc...

And then show this supposed LFBC and warn you not to believe it.

8 posted on 04/27/2011 10:19:39 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: aphid

I’ve seen this before in scanned images. The layers are created by the software.

Another clue is the layers aren’t named as a human would do.

I don’t think this means anything.


9 posted on 04/27/2011 10:21:23 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

Might also be an artifact of an automated system that produced the document from a database. They may in fact be assembled from components and printed out.


10 posted on 04/27/2011 10:22:28 AM PDT by IamConservative (Political power; the most evil thing devised by man. It corrupts morals and judgment.)
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To: RED SOUTH

To all those unfamiliar with Adobe software... layers are basically old cut and paste techniques.

Each image could have several separate images - these are layers.

It appears they cut and pasted here.


11 posted on 04/27/2011 10:22:52 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: RED SOUTH

Ping!!


12 posted on 04/27/2011 10:23:47 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: IamConservative

Thanks for your reply.

I don’t think this is from a DB because of the edge curl. A DB would likely print from a layout - clean, flat. This looks like a scan of a book page.


13 posted on 04/27/2011 10:24:15 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: aphid; onyx; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; seekthetruth; ...

OOOOh! I missed that segment.

****Ping to #5


14 posted on 04/27/2011 10:24:30 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: RED SOUTH

Someone help me out here: If this is a real photocopy, why would there be any layers at all? Wouldn’t a straightforward copy of a document be all in one layer? Don’t the multiple layers tell a story of some amount of manipulation?


15 posted on 04/27/2011 10:25:10 AM PDT by libsrscum (Obama causes cancer.)
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To: remaxagnt

Me too - linky no workee. I expect Red South’s getting mucho traffic at the moment. Might do to wait a few; I’ve ready similar comments from folks deconstructing the purported BC with Adobe Illustrator, so we’ll probably be hearing a lot more about this in the next few hours.

Likely there are several thousand sleuths poring over the document, maybe even a few genuine documents experts, so by the end of the day we’ll probably have a good idea if the BC is fake or not. It’s just a head-fake anyway. Even if Zero was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, he is not a natural-born citizen: he was born to an underaged American woman of a father who was a British subject. Q.E.D.: not eligible to be president.


16 posted on 04/27/2011 10:25:26 AM PDT by Spartan79
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To: IamConservative
Why would they be altering any official documents?
17 posted on 04/27/2011 10:25:36 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: aphid

Hmmmm, interesting.

We already know this new release is just a copy of the ‘original’ COLB. Since it showed ‘all the relevant information’, so why is there need to release only parts of it?

However, whoever creats this pdf file is to blame, i.e., the current HI state registrar who issues this April 25, 2011 certificate. Maybe at the request of Obama and his WH, who knows, but you do wonder why.


18 posted on 04/27/2011 10:25:36 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: RED SOUTH
Already noted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2711218/posts?page=30#30
19 posted on 04/27/2011 10:26:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: aphid; JoeProBono; paulycy; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; STARWISE; Me; myself; onyx

BUMP - FYI.


20 posted on 04/27/2011 10:27:14 AM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: RED SOUTH

I looked at the certificate. I thought both parents had to be born in America. Says Obama’s father was born in Kenya. Am I missing something here?


21 posted on 04/27/2011 10:28:13 AM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: RED SOUTH

the date 1961 has been altered, the 1 is not the same inking device as the rest of the number. It appears to have been hand written


22 posted on 04/27/2011 10:28:47 AM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: RED SOUTH
Hmmm, I am not familiar with Adobe Illustrator, but normally, the ordinary Adobe Reader will also display layers if there are any in your PDF. I checked but didn't find any…
23 posted on 04/27/2011 10:29:21 AM PDT by cartan
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To: libsrscum
If this is a real photocopy, why would there be any layers at all? Wouldn’t a straightforward copy of a document be all in one layer?

If it were a jpeg or tiff in a photo editing program, it would not have layers. However this is a PDF. Adobe does lots of stuff when scanning to PDF, like try to separate out type, separate out pieces, group, place on layers, etc.

I've spent a lot of time working with scanned images, cleaning up, taking off sigs, etc. This image looks like what I've seen a lot.

24 posted on 04/27/2011 10:29:57 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: RED SOUTH

You can’t “open” a birth certficate in Illustrator or Photoshop or any other over-the counter-software and be able to root around in layers. So what is this nonsense?


25 posted on 04/27/2011 10:30:21 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Nothing changes if nothing changes.)
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To: D-fendr

>>This looks like a scan of a book page.<<

I think that is the effect the background is going for on purpose. Kinda like how when I put images of documents in Word I like to give them the soft shadow edge to make them look like a sheet of paper in the document.

I don’t think it is relevant.


26 posted on 04/27/2011 10:30:41 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: aphid

the two dates have the 1 added, all you have to do is enlarge in image.


27 posted on 04/27/2011 10:31:53 AM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: D-fendr

>>IMHO, this is not worth pursuing.<<

I think it depends on what was cut and pasted. If specific fields within what should be a single scan of the document entered into the software are then added as a separate layer, that is peculiar, is it not?


28 posted on 04/27/2011 10:32:01 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: STARWISE; rxsid; David; LucyT

Now that he has released “a Birth certificate” to the public, does this open his birth records to the public? They can no longer be claimed as private information.


29 posted on 04/27/2011 10:32:01 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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what is an abstract?

this is certified to be a copy or an abstract


30 posted on 04/27/2011 10:32:05 AM PDT by woofie
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To: RED SOUTH

Not so long ago another RAT President told the American Public, “I did not have sex with that woman; Ms. Lewinsky”.


31 posted on 04/27/2011 10:34:35 AM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: woofie

Asked dad the same question.

An Abstract is a document that has been edited. Not all information is included. It is condensed....abridged.


32 posted on 04/27/2011 10:36:24 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: D-fendr
I don’t think this is from a DB because of the edge curl. A DB would likely print from a layout - clean, flat. This looks like a scan of a book page.

What I am suggesting is that they have scanned their paper records into image files and those image files are stored in a database. When they need to produce an official document, they assemble it from previously archived electronic images.

I would be somewhat surprised if the actual paper copy that was created in 1961 even exists today, only it's digital image remains. I don't know that for certain, but that is often how old records are archived.

33 posted on 04/27/2011 10:36:53 AM PDT by IamConservative (Political power; the most evil thing devised by man. It corrupts morals and judgment.)
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To: Mr. Wright

Or... “I am not a criminal.”


34 posted on 04/27/2011 10:37:08 AM PDT by Reagan69
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To: D-fendr

Thanks for your input.

What do you make of the image in this other thread?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711302/posts

Please comment there.


35 posted on 04/27/2011 10:37:13 AM PDT by mommya
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To: Vicki

Everyone has always known his father was born in Kenya. No one that matters seems to care.


36 posted on 04/27/2011 10:37:13 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Vicki
I thought both parents had to be born in America.

Not "born in America" but "American citizens at the time of the child's birth". Not that it's ever been claimed that Barack Obama ("dad") was ever a citizen at all.

37 posted on 04/27/2011 10:40:57 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Winning The Future" = WTF = What The F*** / "Kinetic Military Action" = KMA = Kiss My A**)
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To: RED SOUTH
I took the newly released COLB and reversed it, so it would look like the other examples of birth certificates issued during that time, on the reversal of obama's you can plainly see the vertical and horizontal marks of the Safety Paper...which is not visible on any other examples.

Reversing it also plainly shows that there is no embossed seal or the authenticity verbage:

"THIS CERTIFIES THAT THE ABOVE IS A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE IN THE RESEARCH, PLANNING, AND STATISTICS OFFICE, HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH."

Also, the Certs are only one day apart, yet they show a completely different signature as Registrar, and obama's shows no signature for a Director of Health.

The COLB is as phony as the first one...add one more count of fraud to the kenyan's file...

COLB INVERTED
38 posted on 04/27/2011 10:45:33 AM PDT by FrankR (no)
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To: stockpirate
I noticed the altered 1961 on the short form doc I saw awhile back.


39 posted on 04/27/2011 10:46:22 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Vicki

I am theorizing that the reason Obama kept his long form BC hidden for so long is because it shows his father was born in Kenya.

Which raises serious questions as to whether he is a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution.

That’s the idea I am going with right now. There is a reason, or reasons, why he stonewalled for so long. I am guessing his father’s non-citizenship is why.


40 posted on 04/27/2011 10:46:29 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: RED SOUTH; All

I’m no expert, but I know enough about retouching images, specifically text manipulation. And I am not a birther...

But just through my initial examination of the pdf, it is crystal clear it has been manipulated. For example, when I zoom in using Acrobat Professional, all the text separates ( flashes) in layers. A scanned document will not do that, unless it’s OCR. Also when zoomed in, there is clear white space added around the text. Again, a scan would not add that halo effect to the type. The white space around various text is also inconsistent, meaning that on some words, there is fatter white space around the word as though someone used a 1-2px. eraser inconsistently.

This would have been produced on a typewriter. The halo effect around the type is clearly not from a typewriter.

There is something wrong with this document, folks.


41 posted on 04/27/2011 10:46:31 AM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: RED SOUTH

The hand written date on the bottom (8-7-61) by Stanley looks very similar to the hand written date on the Nordykes birth certificate.

What say you?


42 posted on 04/27/2011 10:48:03 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: RED SOUTH; Alamo-Girl; TexasCajun
Judge for yourself but looks to be composed by multiple elements.

I checked out the PDF — in Adobe Illustrator, just as you did. You are so right: if this document is a scan or a photocopy of an original, there would not be any isolatable, multiple elements in it.

But release the document's clipping mask in Adobe Illustrator, and it turns out that most of the type, and even parts of signatures, can be moved right off the document. Clearly, this can be no scan nor photocopy!

Plus the "security paper" used for the alleged copy shows white space behind where the moved text was. As if preexisting elements had been "whited out" to accommodate new text.

This document is definitely suspicious. I strongly doubt it is what it purports to be....

Actually, it looks like a transparent forgery to me....

Can't Obama find more skilled people to create his fakes?

43 posted on 04/27/2011 10:49:16 AM PDT by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: RobRoy
If specific fields within what should be a single scan of the document entered into the software are then added as a separate layer, that is peculiar, is it not?

Not once you enter the PDF world. :).

I just opened a text to PDF document in Adobe Illustrator. There were no layers in the original, just text processing.

In Illustator there was Layer 1 which included a layer Group comprised of a layer for each line of text, some path and clipping path layers, like we see in the Obama doc. All of this separating, grouping and layering was done by the software.

44 posted on 04/27/2011 10:52:39 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Not similar enough to warrant concern.


45 posted on 04/27/2011 10:53:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: STARWISE; PowerPro; mike182d; RED SOUTH; aphid; D-fendr; LucyT; onyx

Your ping dovetails with this same subject that had just caught my eye on the first thread (now approaching 1000 posts) on this morning’s BC release news:

CNN via BREAKING on Drudge: White House releases Obama birth certificate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711155/posts

See exchange between PowerPro & mike182d in posts 860 (initial post by graphic artist PowerPro), 875, 887


46 posted on 04/27/2011 10:54:15 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: IamConservative

Remember, he was born in 1961. So there wouldn’t be the high-tech systems to print a birth certificate.

Back then, you actually used a typewriter and a blank form.


47 posted on 04/27/2011 10:58:06 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: STARWISE; PowerPro; mike182d; RED SOUTH; aphid; D-fendr; LucyT; onyx

CORRECTION to my previous post:

Post #849 !!! was initial post by PowerPro (see first).


48 posted on 04/27/2011 11:01:07 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: D-fendr

But isn’t the original document contents treated as basically a single image, and therefore a single layer? I am not an expert on it, which is why I am asking.


49 posted on 04/27/2011 11:02:03 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: stockpirate
the date 1961 has been altered, the 1 is not the same inking device as the rest of the number. It appears to have been hand written

It's plausible to me that the stamp only had the first three digits of the year and the last digit had to be written in. It would be a way to make the stamp last longer. It had rotating sections for the month, the two digits of the day and for the year. So they could get one for the 1960's (1960-1969), or they could get one for the 20th century or some period longer than 10 years (195-199). Just a thought.

50 posted on 04/27/2011 11:03:46 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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