Posted on 04/29/2011 8:13:19 PM PDT by RobinMasters
The Minor case makes a passing remark about citizenship, and then notes that it is not relevant to the case and moves on. The Lynch case heard arguments on the meaning of NBC, and the meaning of NBC was critical to the decision.
The WKA case also heard arguments on the meaning of NBC, and agreed with the decision in Lynch: NBC = NBS, so someone born in the US of alien parents is a NBC and thus a citizen.
The 1790 law concerned those born to US parent overseas or on the high seas. It was a law of Congress dealing with what happened outside the US borders, and granting NBC status to those born of two US parents outside the country.
Subsequent laws took that out. It still remains arguable that McCain wasn’t eligible to run, but I think it is obvious that in 2011, it is accepted that someone born overseas of two US parents meets the requirement for running for President.
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Oh please. That’s just stupid.
What is stupid? That I rely on court cases rather than WorldNutDaily?
I am thinking I would rather go with what the founders wrote in the laws in 1790 when they defined a natural born citizen thanks.
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=227
I’ll take the actual definition
Are you trying to tell us what natural born means? I know what it means. Yes you have to be the offspring of two citizens.
What other words do you want to redefine? Marriage? How about gay?
Hey troll...The term natural born citizen has always had the same meaning until the Clinton state department tried to change it.
...“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
Children who are born here by non citizens are Not “Natural Born Citizens”.
They too are born with dual citizenship.
That is not the Long Form Birth Certificate(though it may be a COLB).
It is another walk up document. The original COLB was the type you can purchase and receive the same day.
For 3+ years we have have from everybody, including a protective media, that there is no other document.
That is the only one Hawaii provides.
Well now they have proven that just isn’t so and validated part of Hawaii Statute 318 in the process.
The document Mubarak proffered this week is one you can request and it normally takes 10 days to receive it.
They are “Data Points” and the document “IS NOT” a copy of the original Long Form Birth Certificate.
I want to see the Birth Certificate he found among his mother’s belongings, the one his mother submitted for his entrance into the school system and the one he used to obtain his passport.
He has all three available to him and in his possession.
MuBarak is an idiot to have released this “Copy of Data Points” on a Wednesday!
What moron doesn’t know that if you want a story to die you release it over the weekend or on a holiday?
Further, it may have been enough to convince Lieutenant Lakin to continue following orders of deployment as he had done so many times, honorably, as a decorated veteran would do and does.
But no... He let an honorable man hang in the wind, under a cloud of doubt and ruin his career and life. For What?
This settles nothing and I want to see the one he found among his mother’s belongings when she passed in 1995, as well the one that is sealed in his admissions for kindergarten and preschool.
Barak, if this settles it for you then you screwed a fine man and you should be ashamed!
You have no honor.
Look for the double "entendre's"!
This whole BC thing is a put up. A "Fairy Tail"!
It's a "slight" of hand and there is no reason to have not put an original copy of his Long Form Birth Certificate out there in the 1st place.
But, think of it. There are three that are known to exist or have existed and he has at least two in his possession:
Let them claim there is no long form.
1st. They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract. A COLB is a walkup document, meaning you can walk up to the desk, ask for your BC and they will provide an abstract, called a COLB in about 10 minutes. That means there is a long form and Hawaii statutes, starting at (318)
2nd. Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?
3rd. Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything? Like obtaining a passport. That one document is better than a drivers license. It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are. From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no amendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean.
Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?
Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of us have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.
The so called COLB has many flaws with it:
The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.
Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something.
That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.
“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”
From “Dreams of My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)
So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?
He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings. Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for the entire world to see?
It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.
Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.
The point of the birth certificate is to uncover this man's past for it's factual existence and not the narrative we have been told.
We want to know if he ever traveled, went to school in America, obtained loans, etc in another name or as a foreign student or as a foreigner!!!!
That is what we are after at a minimum.
Finally, there can be no doubt Barak was in fact born with a divided citizenship. He proudly admits as much.
That means if he were conscripted by draft into the United States Military during a conflict, when he was 18, he could have avoided the draft by simply returning to another country of his citizenship. We know and he admits he was a citizen of Kenya at the age of 18 so he could have returned with no penalty, to Kenya and not even I would call him a draft dodger if had under those circumstances.
You are wholly one thing or another but not two distinctly different and separate things that conflict with each other's existence.
He was born with a divided allegiance and is "Not a Natural Born Citizen". Might be a citizen but, he ain't a Natural Born Citizen.
Okay, I'm trying to digest all the info since Monday and have many summary points:
1. You don't even have to be a citizen and you can become POTUS.
2. One citizen parent born anywhere and you can become POTUS.
3. One citizen parent and born on US soil and you can become POTUS.
4. Two citizen parents and born on US soil and you can become POTUS.
There seem to be legal opinions that you could have a formal debate with on either side. It's like high school debate, pick your side and research it.
So where are we? Is it MSM, elites and Obama say case closed and STFU? Or is it something, that we as current citizens, have a responsibility to clarify for generations of Americans yet unborn?
The FF were concerned about loyalty and allegiance. It seems logical their intent was two citizen parents and born on US soil. With all this brouhaha, I think that's what most Americans currently would say yes to.
So what now? What is the answer? Should states decide? Should it go to SCOTUS? Does it require a Constitutional Amendment? Does the Constitution still matter? Yes it does and it is our duty to fight for it.
The folks writing laws in 1790 were dealing with the children born overseas. They once again followed England. While England had natural born subjects include those born of alien parents if born in England, they passed laws saying that they would treat the children of two English parents, when born overseas, as NBS.
So once again, the Founders were following ENGLAND, not Vattel.
“Are you trying to tell us what natural born means? I know what it means.”
No you don’t. You don’t get to make up meanings for the Constitution. You don’t get to pull definitions out of your butt and call them real.
Multiple courts have already discussed the meaning of NBC, starting in 1844. And they agree that the meaning is the same as the meaning of natural born subject.
“Children who are born here by non citizens are Not “Natural Born Citizens”.”
That is what you say. The US Supreme Court disagrees with you, as has every court to hear arguments on the meaning of NBC.
Nope.
They have agreed they are Native Born Citizens.
They cannot be President because they are not Natural Born Citizens.
There is a difference and bottom line is the only thing everyone knows about Barak is the narrative he has delivered.
There are zero unimpeachable documents to prove anything about his existence, history or identity.
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