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Farm Subsidies Become Target Amid Spending Cuts
The New York Times ^ | May 6th, 2011 | Jennifer Steinhauer

Posted on 05/06/2011 6:26:32 PM PDT by KantianBurke

WASHINGTON — When it comes to spending cuts, members of Congress like to say that “everything is on the table.” Except, generally, food. But now federal farm subsidies, long decried by policy makers as wasteful and antiquated but protected by powerful political interests, appear to be in serious danger.

This week, Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin and the chairman of the House Budget Committee, told reporters, “We shouldn’t be giving corporate farms, these large agribusiness companies, subsidies. I strongly believe that.”

His budget proposal would take $30 billion out of the farm program over the next decade.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: cino; farmsubsidies; lino; mexico; nofoodforyou; obamacare; rino; starvetodeaththen; theft; wisconsin
Every time the issue of farm subsidies is raised I'm instantly reminded of Dubya's inital betrayal of small government conservatives with his signing of the 2002 farm bill. Obliterated the gains that were made to reduce farm subsidies from the FAIR act all the while plowing billions of taxpayer goodies to "farmers."
1 posted on 05/06/2011 6:26:36 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

The reduction or elimination of subsidies might be disruptive in the short run, but the Constitution doesn’t provide for them. Time to let the farm industry go it alone.

Bottom line, if it’s a good idea, it can stand on its own and doesn’t need a crutch from Uncle Sam. This includes ethanol.


2 posted on 05/06/2011 6:31:36 PM PDT by lurk
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To: KantianBurke
Yup. Most valuable piece of real estate in the world--the square foot at the bottom of an Iowa farmer's mailbox.
3 posted on 05/06/2011 6:32:35 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: lurk

I agree.

But, I can see why, say Japan subsidises it’s own rice by banning imports.

They want to be self-sufficient for rice. Smart move.

Some time over the next 100 years they’ll be glad they have their own food supply.


4 posted on 05/06/2011 6:34:25 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: KantianBurke

Good. There’s no Constitutional authorization for these subsidies.


5 posted on 05/06/2011 6:34:45 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: KantianBurke

It is about time.


6 posted on 05/06/2011 6:41:15 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: KantianBurke

I agree with the removal of farm subsidies if we also remove government rules and regulations on farmers. Let the farmers raise and sell what they want to whoever will pay them the most.


7 posted on 05/06/2011 6:43:10 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: KantianBurke
There are even politians who bought farm land to collect ‘subsidies’ - even though they never planted anything.

these subsidies put a lot of small farmers out of business. The money goes to the big conglomerates -

Time for them to go

8 posted on 05/06/2011 6:45:57 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (watch the otherhand)
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To: KantianBurke

yes, but, during harry and nancy’s reign, dubya did try to eliminate ridiculous farm subsidies for places like Mahattan. When he did try to reason with Congress, he was vilified more.
Nothing he could propose would have been a winning issue. he was a lame duck from the start.


9 posted on 05/06/2011 6:46:56 PM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: KantianBurke

While they are at it, Congress should and must eliminate the ethanol subsidy immediately.

That will save us poor suffering taxpayers about $6 Billion!


10 posted on 05/06/2011 6:51:36 PM PDT by Taxman (E)
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To: griswold3

Sorry but this isn’t a “Daily Dose” thread. In 02 Bush inflated the farm subsidy system and betrayed small government conservatives - the first of many times.


11 posted on 05/06/2011 6:53:12 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke

Google the “EWG” farm subsidy database and see what your friends and neighbors get in farm subsidies. You’ll be amazed.


12 posted on 05/06/2011 7:27:57 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: lurk
The reduction or elimination of subsidies might be disruptive in the short run,

It would be disruptive in the short run if it happened, but it's not going to happen. The farm lobby has Congress bought and paid for.
13 posted on 05/06/2011 7:29:19 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Well.....$30 billion per a decade? Please, that’s nothing. Is there a Republican anywhere with huevos?


14 posted on 05/06/2011 7:42:50 PM PDT by sheana
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To: KantianBurke
If it was up to me I would cut them off tomorrow.

However, fair political compromise is a 25% reduction every year for 4 years.

15 posted on 05/06/2011 8:08:47 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: KantianBurke
I criticized Ryan on another thread when he drank the koolaid about agreeing to eliminate oil subsidies. But if he makes the case that ALL subsidies should be eliminated, then more power to him.

Gov't subsidies and mandates are the reason why we're in the mess that we're in now. Let the market work on its own, and let people fail so they can learn from their mistakes and become better.

16 posted on 05/06/2011 8:27:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2012)
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To: KantianBurke

There are times when “government payments” have helped keep entire communities from folding, in instances of multi-year drought for example. When the farmers can’t make ends meet, it doesn’t take long for the tire dealers, machine repair shops and cafe’s to follow suit.

I’m not saying that the programs don’t need to be scrutinized and reviewed, but I have personal experience with the payments along with crop insurance being the difference between scraping by and quite possibly losing the place when there were poor crops for several years in a row. Huge areas of the countryside were in the exact same boat. There are appropriate applications for government farm assistance.


17 posted on 05/06/2011 8:39:55 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
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To: prairiebreeze

I meant to also add that this experience was in the last 5-10 years.


18 posted on 05/06/2011 8:42:04 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
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To: sheana
Well.....$30 billion per a decade? Please, that’s nothing. Is there a Republican anywhere with huevos?

If we take the attitude that such amounts are "nothing", then we'll never get anywhere near to getting the government and Congress under control, because you can break down everything into "nothing" amounts.

As for the second part of your statement, too many Republicans in Congress have sold themselves to the highest bidders. All we have is our votes, but they know they can scare us into voting for the incumbents just about every time.
19 posted on 05/06/2011 8:46:29 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: KantianBurke

Do away with the subsidies, but they have to allow the farmers to make a buck as well.
Remember, they passed a but load of legislation from the FDA regarding food. recently they arrested some Amish farmer for selling milk.

So dump the regulations. Allow these people to work and sell what they produce!


20 posted on 05/06/2011 8:46:51 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Actually, it is more likely that some particular Arkansas rice farmers haul in more.


21 posted on 05/06/2011 9:10:33 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; All
I criticized Ryan on another thread when he drank the koolaid about agreeing to eliminate oil subsidies. But if he makes the case that ALL subsidies should be eliminated, then more power to him.

Yup, and I explained then that Ryan was most likely setting a precedent by eliminating the oil subsidies. Now with his proposing elimination of farm subsidies, it appears he's being consistent.

Ryan isn't stupid, and he, along with a handful of others are going after the low hanging fruit and trying to chop down the spending tree, one whack at a time. He sure as hell would like to eliminate the Environmental Protection Agency, Dept. of Energy, Department of Education, Health and Human Services. The reality is he has to change the mindset and hopefully create a fervor for cutting/eliminating federal programs.

Assholes like Eric Cantor and John Boehner just collect paychecks reaching across the aisle, watching our country being destroyed. By their inaction, the lying bastards are complicit in bankrupting America. Personally, I'd fire both of them immediately.

Ryan, Bachmann, DeMint, Palin (yeah, she only has one vote as a civilian) and a few others are earning their pay. The rest of the gutless weasels can go to hell.

22 posted on 05/07/2011 12:20:11 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: prairiebreeze

“There are times when “government payments” have helped keep entire communities from folding”

You’re essentially arguing that US taxpayers should subsidize the lifestyles of others. Now how the hell is THAT constitutional, moral or fiscally fair???


23 posted on 05/07/2011 4:06:50 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: sheana
Huevos??
24 posted on 05/07/2011 4:14:47 AM PDT by sternup
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To: Cobra64

With a hat tip to another Freeper - governments don’t subsidize oil companies, oil companies subsidize governments.


25 posted on 05/07/2011 5:20:47 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: prairiebreeze

If you take that position, it’s hard to argue against the bailout of the auto companies, or any other bailout for that matter.


26 posted on 05/07/2011 6:21:50 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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To: af_vet_rr

That wasn’t my point. Instead of doing $30 bil over a decade why not do it all now?
They are gonna nit pick this thing to death.


27 posted on 05/07/2011 6:40:20 AM PDT by sheana
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To: KantianBurke

Because farming is the riskiest business on the planet for one thing. How does one mitigate that risk from one year to year or decade to deace? Or do you relish the idea of entire communities, schools, business and jobs being destroyed? Do you enjoy boarded up ghost towns?

I don’t expect to change anybody’s mind here, there are too many who simply refuse to acknowlege that there are interests to the country and people’s bellies in keeping agriculture going. Even if it means helping them through the rough times...of which there are generally plenty.


28 posted on 05/07/2011 10:19:04 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
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To: Notary Sojac

See post 28 which is my last response on this thread. No point wasting band-width it seems.


29 posted on 05/07/2011 10:20:02 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
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To: prairiebreeze

should have read “decade to decade”


30 posted on 05/07/2011 10:20:48 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
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To: KantianBurke

Good. Let the price of food reflect the actual cost of production. Then maybe the Dhim constituency will appreciate how much “the rich” have subsidized their food all these years.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 10:42:18 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down!)
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To: KantianBurke

Why are farmers being targeted? Answer, they are small and nonunion. Farmers get $16 billion, TARP gets $750 billion. Every major business with more than 50 employees gets subsidized, but not the lowly raisers of food—the nations #1 export and made in the USA. I am not opposed to cutting subsidies, but the selective targeting of non-union groups like Ag is par for the course. I say cuts across the board for all subsidies, and even deeper cuts for those that do no work for their subsidies—cut all gov’t workers by the same %, cut medicare by more, cut SS by more, cut medicaid, cut em all. This selective targeting of the nations #1 industry, #1 export industry, and people who work 16 hour days when planting and harvest comes around. Why kill the nation’s most successful industry and spare the rest?


32 posted on 05/07/2011 11:14:04 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: prairiebreeze

I’m not saying that the programs don’t need to be scrutinized and reviewed, but I have personal experience with the payments along with crop insurance being the difference between scraping by and quite possibly losing the place when there were poor crops for several years in a row. Huge areas of the countryside were in the exact same boat. There are appropriate applications for government farm assistance.””

You are wasting your time on the urbanites. Higher prices they will understand. Besides most of them eat way more than their share of food and higher prices will probably benefit their health. A 30 day hold on delivery of farm commodities could get their attention.


33 posted on 05/07/2011 11:18:00 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Neoliberalnot

“Answer, they are small and nonunion.”

Incorrect answer. Corporations recieve the vast majority of the free govt bennies. Cut them off.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2002/04/farm-subsidies-for-the-rich-amp-famous-shattered-records-in-2001


34 posted on 05/07/2011 12:37:59 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: prairiebreeze

“Because farming is the riskiest business on the planet for one thing.”

If they do not have the accumen to succeed in such a business then they do not belong in it. Nor is it moral for them to steal taxpayer money to compensate for their shortcomings. GM anyone? As it is, your points are silly. Its mostly well connected agri corporations who steal the taxpayer’s money.


35 posted on 05/07/2011 12:47:53 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Some time over the next 100 years they’ll be glad they have their own food supply.

Or maybe having their population sharply decrease because food is so high that having a second or even a first child is cost prohibitive.

Oh wait... that is happening already.

36 posted on 05/07/2011 12:56:49 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That’s not because the price of food is high! Everything’s high. Rent is the main thing.

They’ve got the same problem as Americans and Europeans. They’d rather have two cars and a plasma screen television and free time than another child.


37 posted on 05/07/2011 1:01:54 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Farmers have been farming Washington for ever/ It is time to let them get back to farming. Every year they have State Picnics is Phoenix, the State of Montana's is always the largest. Simply the wheat farmers are through for the year and they all drive their $100,000.00 plus motor homes to Arizona. Have a hired man to watch the farm for them while they soak up the sun and cash the Government Subsidy checks.
38 posted on 05/07/2011 1:29:14 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Never pass up an opportunity to " Shut Up")
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
That’s not because the price of food is high! Everything’s high. Rent is the main thing.

You contradict yourself with that statement. And when you restrict the amount of land available for building homes because you want rice paddies and slap tariffs on building material what do you think happens to the price of housing?

They’d rather have two cars and a plasma screen television and free time than another child.

Most people in Tokyo don't have cars. Especially the ones of child bearing age. Plasma screens are cheap. But area to raise a child? Food to feed that child? Out of sight expensive.

The government there has been meddling and like most government meddling it has unintended consequences. In 100 years they will have lots of nice farm land but no one to farm. Even now the population of rural Japan is over 60. The farmers are dying and there are no children to replace them. You can only do so much with robotics.

39 posted on 05/07/2011 2:23:05 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

So ban the pill. Back in realistic times, when something was posing a danger to all society, people would do something about it.


40 posted on 05/07/2011 2:25:56 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Ban the pill?

Do you really think that is the problem?

Over 50% of Japanese pregnancies end in abortion all ready. Most of these are done by married women. They and their husbands agree that when you live in a 500 square foot apartment with a sunlight machine because the buildings block out the natural light, having a child is not a good idea.

How about getting the government out of people's business? That would be much more successful.

41 posted on 05/07/2011 3:51:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“Over 50% of Japanese pregnancies end in abortion”

Wow, I did not know that. That’s terrible.

If we look at history, we can see that a country needs its own food supply. Maybe this decade looks safe enough, but history shows that each country needs its own food supply.

Building on the farmland is just a temporary fix, wouldn’t you say?


42 posted on 05/07/2011 3:58:54 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: KantianBurke

Disagree, Corps pay their share of taxes so whatever comes back to them is certainly not free. The only free bennies go to the parasites unwilling to work and yet they receive far and away the vast majority of free-to-them bennies. 48% of the population pay no federal income tax and 43 million are on food stamps, plus rent subsidy, welfare, Aid to depen children, utility subsidy, free cell phones, free medical care, and the list goes on.


43 posted on 05/07/2011 4:54:50 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Why?

Almost every city is built on either farm land or at a port. Many both.

Farm land is not something scarce or special. People make it sound that way generally because they have an agenda. Usually that agenda is to force people into living in high rise apartments in cities.

Once again things would ease if the government would quit meddling. People would find a natural balance if the government would stay out of it. They make it sound benevolent, "oh we are just saving farm land". What they are doing is forcing people to live in a unnatural manner so they can control them.

44 posted on 05/08/2011 1:31:35 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: Dapper 26
I agree with the removal of farm subsidies if we also remove government rules and regulations on farmers. Let the farmers raise and sell what they want to whoever will pay them the most.

YES!!!

45 posted on 05/08/2011 1:59:32 AM PDT by BAW
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To: KantianBurke

But subsidizing smaller farmers is just fine? And how many Freepers hold Ryan up as a conservative hero?


46 posted on 05/08/2011 2:27:54 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: KantianBurke

Ping
thanks for posting


47 posted on 05/08/2011 7:20:29 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: KantianBurke

“Acumen” has nothing to do with it. Farmers are the hardiest, bravest, most tenacious and courageous businessmen there are. Put them out of business and you shoot yourself in the foot. Who do you think will take over the farmland that’s lost when they go under, the Tooth Fairy?

So my first-hand experience posts are silly, eh? Better than being an uninformed idiot who probably doesn’t know a combine from a tractor.


48 posted on 05/09/2011 5:48:54 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

“Disagree, Corps pay their share of taxes so whatever comes back to them is certainly not free.”

Woah, wait what? Can I get free govt bennies too? I could use a new corvette and why not? I pay taxes too!!


49 posted on 05/10/2011 3:40:57 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke

Corps paid $191 billion in fed taxes last year—9% of total. These are the direct taxes. Substantial profits are spun off to share holders in the form of dividends and capital gains which also generate taxes. Nothing is for free except to the progs/libs/parasites who pay nothing and receive the majority of benefits—see the difference between free and getting to keep something you already paid for? It ain’t free if you already paid for it. How do you not get this? I hope you are not a prog in freeper clothing.


50 posted on 05/10/2011 6:32:41 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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