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Louisiana Governor Jindal: Get Ready to Get Out of Flood's Way
Associated Press ^ | Tuesday, May 10, 2011 at 9:38 p.m. | MARY FOSTER & MICHAEL KUNZELMAN

Posted on 05/10/2011 10:12:16 PM PDT by chemicalman

BUTTE LAROSE, La. |

Ripples of fear rose Tuesday along the normally placid bayous of the Atchafalaya basin, the corridor through which a torrent of surging water could be unleashed if authorities decide in coming days to ease the strain on Mississippi River levees by opening the Morganza Spillway northwest of Baton Rouge.

(Excerpt) Read more at theledger.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: jindal; louisiana; mississippiriver
Personally, we have been in a drought in SE La. All this water coming down the river, and can't use an ounce of it to water the gardens or lawn. Unless the levee breaks.
1 posted on 05/10/2011 10:12:18 PM PDT by chemicalman
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To: chemicalman

Is this the water project called “Old River”? I read about it years ago in a book by John McPhee. Fascinating stuff.


2 posted on 05/10/2011 10:15:14 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: chemicalman
Unless the levee breaks.

The idiot classic rock station I listen to played *When The Levee Breaks* by Led Zeppelin twice today.

3 posted on 05/10/2011 10:20:49 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: chemicalman

Neverf rains but it pours!


4 posted on 05/10/2011 10:27:50 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: chemicalman

Is New Orleans going to flood again because of this volume of water coming down the Mississippi and cresting? Is this what everyone is afraid of?


5 posted on 05/10/2011 10:31:26 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (ULEOs surveil 24/7/365)
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To: chemicalman

Never mind, it’s a separate water project. Prayers for you guys!!


6 posted on 05/10/2011 10:32:29 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I think the biggest fear I’ve read of is that the river is going to decide where it locates itself to rather than the idea man has had the past 100 years?


7 posted on 05/10/2011 10:33:26 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I’m not an expert but the water in the Mississippi wants to divert into the Atchafalaya Basin. Usually they keep it mainly in the original channel, but they are planning to let a good deal of the water go there. So many industries exist in that part of the country that someone will be hurt. Not only by flooding of buildings, but by flushing out the tidal water with fresh water, hurting the fishing industry. No one is happy with how much/little water they get in their area. John McPhee wrote a piece about it years ago - I think you can find it on the internet.


8 posted on 05/10/2011 10:37:20 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Only one aspect... and not likely to happen if the water is diverted, but there are communities all around those bayous and the Spillway. They’d have to be evacuated, and of course anyone without flood insurance that was in the path of the Miss. as it’s being diverted, well....


9 posted on 05/10/2011 10:38:17 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; Zuben Elgenubi
John McPhee wrote a piece about it years ago - I think you can find it on the internet.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1987/02/23/1987_02_23_039_TNY_CARDS_000347146

10 posted on 05/10/2011 10:43:43 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: The Cajun

Song was stuck in my head all day, and I haven’t heard it on the radio.


11 posted on 05/10/2011 10:50:50 PM PDT by chemicalman ("The taxpayer - work for the Fed gvmt, but doesn't take a civil service exam. Reagan)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
A possible dynamic not considered is the large amount of oilfield canals that were dammed off to prevent storm surge and salt water intrusion from the gulf.
That is great when the water wants to flow from south to north, but not so great when you want the water to flow from north to south as will be the case when the Morganza spill way is opened.
Won't be good for the cities of Houma and Morgan City if the flow southward is restricted significantly.
12 posted on 05/10/2011 10:54:45 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: thecodont; TenthAmendmentChampion; chris_bdba

Thank you.


13 posted on 05/10/2011 10:55:41 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (ULEOs surveil 24/7/365)
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To: The Cajun; chemicalman; Zuben Elgenubi; TenthAmendmentChampion
Those guys in Butte La Rose are wasting their time. That little hamlet is on the only high ground smack in the middle of the Atchafalaya Swamp. And the ground ain't that high.


This is Butte La Rose. That is the Atchafalaya River a distributary of the Mississippi. This is where the water is diverted so it won't flood Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

yitbos

14 posted on 05/10/2011 11:00:43 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: chemicalman
Live in northern Lafourche west of Thibodaux, am keeping a close eye on the situation.
Worse case latest projection, the water *backup* could come within 5-10 miles of where I live, like it did in 1973.
Didn't need to hear *When The Levee Breaks* today :^)
15 posted on 05/10/2011 11:02:35 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Lots of small communities like Stephenville, Pierre Part, Gibson and Amelia are probably going to be in a world of hurt also.
16 posted on 05/10/2011 11:10:58 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: bruinbirdman
BUTTE LAROSE, La is ~40 miles west of Baton Rouge and therefore not on the Mississippi. So the diversion of water from the Mississippi 40 miles west drains out southward through Attakappas Wildlife Park through the Patterson/Morgan City area and then into the Gulf? Places like Amelia are going to get flooded too.

Boy, I sure hope they know what they're doing. That's a lot of water coming down the Mississippi.

17 posted on 05/10/2011 11:11:30 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (ULEOs surveil 24/7/365)
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To: chemicalman

More info here:

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/projects_show_morganza_spillwa.html

and here:
http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20110510/NEWS01/105100316


18 posted on 05/10/2011 11:13:49 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Tagline expired!)
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To: The Cajun
The idiot classic rock station I listen to played *When The Levee Breaks* by Led Zeppelin twice today.

Should have played Randy Newman's "Louisiana".

What has happened down here is the wind have changed
Clouds roll in from the north and it start to rain
Rained real hard and rained for a real long time
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline

The river rose all day
The river rose all night
Some people got lost in the flood
Some people got away alright
The river have busted through clear down to Plaquemines
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline.

CHORUS
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tyrin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away

President Coolidge came down in a railroad train
With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand
The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has done
To this poor crackers land.

CHORUS

19 posted on 05/10/2011 11:27:46 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

“Should have played Randy Newman’s “Louisiana”.”

A truly great song.


20 posted on 05/10/2011 11:28:51 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: bruinbirdman
30 years of no flooding in an area, and folks think they can build in a flood plain. It's going to get wet sooner or later.
I'm not located in the perfect place either with Lake Ponch on one side and the Mississippi on the other.
21 posted on 05/10/2011 11:31:45 PM PDT by chemicalman ("The taxpayer - work for the Fed gvmt, but doesn't take a civil service exam. Reagan)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; The Cajun; chemicalman
"through the Patterson/Morgan City area and then into the Gulf? "

The thing is "the river was expected to crest at 64 feet . . .". Of course this depends on location and the width between the levees.

In the whole of Louisiana, the levees are usually the highest ground. Heck a tide of 10 feet floods half the state.

Now, can the Atchafalaya, itself, handle some flow without flooding?

If they have to open the Morganza spillway, not a chance.

And we'e talking more water than 1973. That almost destroyed Morgan City.

Thibodaux is barely 7 feet above sea level. What are they growing down there? Rice, beans?

yitbos

22 posted on 05/10/2011 11:42:18 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: The Cajun

Port Gibson..one of my favorite towns along 61.


23 posted on 05/11/2011 12:04:09 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: chemicalman

The “Corpse” of Engineers can manage that for you; just ask the Missouri farmers.


24 posted on 05/11/2011 12:20:24 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: GnuHere
@ record levels in Natchez:


25 posted on 05/11/2011 12:29:47 AM PDT by chemicalman ("The taxpayer - work for the Fed gvmt, but doesn't take a civil service exam. Reagan)
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To: chemicalman
My Wife has Family in Natchez. Natchez should see little damage, but Vidalia, LA across the river is low lying and is only protected by Levees, not like the natural Bluffs on the Natchez side.

Friends in Vidalia have moved many of their possessions to Natchez. Unfortunately, I understand that only about a third of the people in Vidalia have Flood Insurance. Very sad situation.

26 posted on 05/11/2011 12:49:47 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: chemicalman

I knew a guy who inherited some land in the Sacramento CA delta.
The levies there are nearly certain to fail in the next few years, they are scarcely maintained at all.

He liked the land he got, practically on the river.
Knowing the levee situation he cam up with a SIMPLE answer!
He built a barge with a nice little cottage sitting on it.
The barge acts as his basement and storage space.
The cottage is nicer than the average tract home.
It sits on the ground, but if the levee breaks it will float up without harm.
He will have to disconnect from the water and electric, but he has storage tanks and a generator.
The barge is well anchored, with plenty of chain to keep it in place.

If I lived in a “Spillway” I think I would take this guy as an example of superior planning.


27 posted on 05/11/2011 1:50:09 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: thecodont

Thanks. I love John McPhee. I have been reading this article for hours, and I’m still not done. This is really good stuff. It makes me very afraid for the people living near that river.


28 posted on 05/11/2011 3:48:08 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: bruinbirdman

I was reading about the old river project the other day and one thing I noticed was they are more than concerned that if the old river structures are undermined that the Mississippi will make a permanent change in course down the Atchafalaya that will be impossible to change.


29 posted on 05/11/2011 4:37:23 AM PDT by DH (When the tainted finger of government touches anything, the rot begins!)
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To: thecodont

Thanks for the link! The article is well worth reading again.


30 posted on 05/11/2011 5:49:10 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Loyal Sedition

It would be so easy to sabotage those flimsy levees and cause a huge amount of economic damage to the Delta and downstream cities and farms. It’s a crying shame how they have been so mismanaged. Course that’s California we are talking about.


31 posted on 05/11/2011 6:05:52 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: bruinbirdman

If the land along the river were unowned (and if flood insurance didn’t pay to rebuild structures in severe flood plains repeatedly), maybe engineers could in some places dig diversion basins or form double levees to contain the excess water in flood years - but maybe the amount of water is so immense that at certain times it will flood everything. The water table has to be about two feet below the surface in a lot of areas so a diversion lake probably would fill up in no time. I presume it’s hard to build quarries or other big excavation projects.


32 posted on 05/11/2011 6:14:57 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Loyal Sedition

Sounds like a very smart man.


33 posted on 05/11/2011 6:18:26 AM PDT by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE US!)
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To: Explorer89
"Thanks. I love John McPhee. I have been reading this article for hours, and I’m still not done...."

He did a really cool story/book on the subject of oranges, too. He made oranges interesting.

34 posted on 05/11/2011 6:25:09 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: JLLH
and of course anyone without flood insurance that was in the path of the Miss. as it’s being diverted, well....

... the U.S. taxpayer will pick up the tab, because in today's America you aren't allowed to suffer the consequences of your decisions.

35 posted on 05/11/2011 6:33:27 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: chemicalman

In 1927 the Corps of Engineers blew 1500’ of levee south of New Orleans to lower the pressure/level upstream. I wonder if they are looking at something like this again?


36 posted on 05/11/2011 6:34:33 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport

37 posted on 05/11/2011 6:39:45 AM PDT by deport
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To: Loyal Sedition

That is very clever and flood insurance not necessary.


38 posted on 05/11/2011 9:44:19 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: chemicalman

Let’s see—another crisis—how can 0 benefit?

Watch out!


39 posted on 05/11/2011 9:45:44 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: zeugma

No — in today’s America you aren’t allowed to suffer the consequences of your decisions. UNLESS YOU LIVE IN TEXAS wildfire areas.


40 posted on 05/11/2011 9:48:01 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: deport
"In 1927 the Corps of Engineers blew 1500’ of levee south of New Orleans to lower the pressure/level upstream. I wonder if they are looking at something like this again? "

The Corp learned their lesson and build a spillway south of New Orleans. There is quite a history behind that spillway.

yitbos

41 posted on 05/11/2011 2:18:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

Someday the Mississippi will flow down the Atchafalaya again.

Maybe this year?

Tomorrow?


42 posted on 05/12/2011 8:23:26 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: CPT Clay
"Maybe this year?"

Read an interesting factoid about the Old River Control Structure.

Evidently, the worry is more about its base/foundation being undermined at the riverbed level.

yitbos

43 posted on 05/12/2011 12:54:02 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I am worried about all the “swamp people” that make their homes there. Will those houses be under water, like in Houma, LA? It seems to me like if they open the Morganza spillway it will flood all the swamp land. Also, I would like to know if it will wash away all the fish and vegetation, wildlife, gators? I am curious.
Thanks.


44 posted on 05/14/2011 1:23:06 AM PDT by CCorn
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To: DH
one thing I noticed was they are more than concerned that if the old river structures are undermined that the Mississippi will make a permanent change in course down the Atchafalaya that will be impossible to change.

The river will do what it wills, regardless of the machinations of the Corps of Engineers.

45 posted on 05/16/2011 1:49:35 PM PDT by SuziQ
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