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Hydrocarbons in the deep earth - (Renewable? Maybe..National Academy of Science weights in)
National Academy of Science ^ | April 11, 2011 | Leonardo Spanua, Davide Donadioa, Detlef Hohlc, Eric Schweglerd, and Giulia Gallia

Posted on 05/11/2011 11:03:03 AM PDT by dila813

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Thomas Gold and the origins of petroleum.
61 posted on 05/12/2011 6:51:24 AM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: crusty old prospector

you need to get out and read some more, The russians have been saying for years and with great success, that OIL IS ABIOTIC and A Renewable Energy created by Compressed Minerals in the earths crust, It has absolutely Zilch to do with ALGAE, or FOSSILS.


62 posted on 05/12/2011 10:01:10 AM PDT by eyeamok
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If life on earth dates back only a billion or so years, that’s not enough time to have enough sedimentary rock laid down on top of the dead organic matter to pile up several miles deep

What? Williston Basin: over 15000 ft. of sedimentary rock. Anadarko Basin: even more. That's just two instances. There's plenty of time, because it has happened.

63 posted on 05/12/2011 11:58:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: eyeamok

I have read quite a bit on the subject as it is my job to find the stuff. It ain’t coming out of the mantle. 99% of all hydrocarbons can be typed back to source beds through geochemistry. Show me one oil or gas field that is not in a sedimentary basin. Zip, zilch, notta. Sounds like the Russians have to fight for grant money at the universities the same way the global warming crowd does in America. Elementary thermodynamics would tell you that at the pressures and temperatures that they are talking about, all that would be stable is elemental carbon. But if you want to round up some investors and drill a hole into the mantle, go right ahead. You will have to find a metallurgist to come up with something to use as a drill string as everything in use to date would melt before you got to the pot of black gold.


64 posted on 05/12/2011 2:42:39 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Sun
Although I don’t know if it renews as fast as we use it, at least in some places.

Unbelievable that this point has to be stated.

It's like so many people have no clue of the scale of things, like there's some bottomless supply if we just put more straws in the ground. It's sorta like libs when they think they can just tax and tax and tax without end.

65 posted on 05/12/2011 7:46:22 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: eyeamok

You might be interested in checking out the Zion Oil and Gas Company (ZN on the stock market, Zion.com on the internet). They are drilling in northern Israel on the basis of abiotic theory. So far, not much success, but they are optimistic. (Full disclosure: I’m a stockholder.)


66 posted on 05/12/2011 8:01:23 PM PDT by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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To: crusty old prospector

Re: Oil Shale

Thanks for your very interesting note.

I knew I should have researched that before commenting.

I assumed the organic material descended to the shale at the same time the shale was ascending back to the surface

The freshwater lake is a total surprise.

I recall that several times in geologic history salt water oceans have pushed all the way to the Rockies.

Is there also oil shale in the Burgess Shale deposits in the Canadian Rockies?


67 posted on 05/14/2011 12:27:00 AM PDT by zeestephen
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The Burgess is a much older shale. It was deposited under the same anoxic conditions, thus it has the black color instead of being gray. The problem with it as being a source rock for petroleum is that the organisms that form it aren’t the ones that upon burial, are converted to kerogen. The Burgess is known for its preservation of beautiful species of early life, specifically trilobites, which look like large doodlebugs. If I remember correctly, the proper algae that is the key component for kerogen hadn’t evolved yet. The only organism around then that is documented to be potential source material is called a graptolite.


68 posted on 05/14/2011 7:50:10 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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70 posted on 03/02/2012 8:44:11 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: thackney

Pinging you to a new thread...

Here is the thread I linked to in the thread from today regarding theories of the origins on fossil fuel. This actually hit on Google when I searched. There is a wealth of info and links and discussion and debate.


71 posted on 07/17/2013 5:42:17 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (If the government told us to expect rain, I'd schedule an outdoor wedding.)
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Pinging you to a new thread...

You mean an old thread.

This crap isn't new. Wishful thinking keeps it alive.

Biotic oil powers the world. Those that understand that successful find and produce petroleum around the world.

Abotic oil powers the con men and those that live off the success of others. It produces no oil but cash for studies from the naive, investors and occasionally governments.

72 posted on 07/18/2013 5:26:45 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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