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To: little jeremiah
"It’s not fixable. And people like Ryan who are touted as the conservatives who will fix stuff - and castigated by Dems as extremists - are actually part of the problem.

There is now no way out of this mess, only through it, and that’s going to be like running through a fire.
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Yes, for those who don't prepare to live through it in peace and quiet. Those who have mortgages on their home places should try to save a few payments in advance while stocking up on other things and preparing to avoid unnecessary trips to cities for some time. Sooner or later, depending on how future debt measures are managed, large numbers of current government employees will be unemployed. They are also most of the source of revenues for the "service industry."


123 posted on 05/15/2011 12:31:34 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop; Freedom_Is_Not_Free

My solution has been this:

Live very cheaply. I owe not one penny of debt. I live so simply that many people would be horrified. I still don’t have hot water - hub will get to installing the on demand propane hot water heater eventually; in the winter I always have about 4 gallons or more heating on the wood stove in large pots. I heat the house (ahem - cabin) with a used wood stove that cost $50, and it’s our own wood. We use wood that to heat with that most people would put on an outdoor burn pile, we burn everything burnable to save wood.

I cook everything from scratch except an occasional jar of salsa or canned pumpkin. We eat simply, two meals a day usually. We never, ever eat out or need “entertainment”. We read out loud to each other, play our own music and so on for our entertainment.

I make almost all house hold personal care stuff - I buy Kirks Castile soap from the manufacturer by the case - 50 bars per case - and have enough for the rest of my life and to share. I use it for washing my hair too, and rinse with diluted white vinegar, works better than any expensive shampoo.

I make my own tooth powder, skin oils, sink cleaner, salves, and treat hub and myself and clients with herbs.

I buy pretty much all food supplies in bulk, mostly from Azure Standard. I have enough bulk basic grains/beans etc for at least 2 years, and this includes helping others. We have enough to pay property tax for a few years if need be. Any vehicle we ever buy we get used, very cheap, and hub fixes them.

Hub got a straight razor for shaving, hasn’t used it yet, only shaves every so often since his beard isn’t super heavy and he looks nice in a short bear; he cuts his own hair and I but my own if need be.

He buys shoes when they’re on sale so he has extras, since he works outside most of the time he wears them out. I have tons of extra guitar strings since I love playing my guitars.

The bottom line is - our needs are few, our wants are simple, and we already live as though the economy is totally collapsed, have for some time.

There are a few things I’d like - a laptop in case of elecrtic outages, and a hand pump for the well. We have a lot of water storage capacity and only run the well to fill them up.

Most people could reduce their personal expenditure tremendously by cutting out things they consider necessities but don’t in reality need at all.

A couple of other things people should consider are developing skills that are marketable not necessarily to employers, but to the local community. For instance - hub went and bought a van for $400 as a parts van (we have two like it) and the man he bought it from runs a bike store in a town bout 85 miles from here. He is going gangbusters selling bikes, used bikes, fixed bikes, bike trailers. So anyone who knows how to fix bikes, for instance, or other useful items, will have something that can bring in money in hard times.


126 posted on 05/15/2011 12:54:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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