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To: bkopto

Obama and his “green” tsars may be smiling, as are assorted agrarian romantics, Maoists and tree-huggers.

And, while, the torments of the after-life aside, the shades of Pol Pot and Mao might be pleased, I doubt Marx would be. Marx despised rural life, which in his day still involved the use of draft animals, and seems to have mistakenly believed his fundamentally anti-human ideas would lead to an industrialized paradise in which worker-owned mechanized collective farms and factories would produce abundance for all.


12 posted on 05/15/2011 7:09:13 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David
Marx despised rural life, which in his day still involved the use of draft animals, and seems to have mistakenly believed his fundamentally anti-human ideas would lead to an industrialized paradise in which worker-owned mechanized collective farms and factories would produce abundance for all.

Marx did not believe in the ideas that he authored. He propaganda was inspired and financed by the elite banksters who launched communism.

38 posted on 05/15/2011 7:24:41 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: The_Reader_David
Obama and his “green” tsars may be smiling, as are assorted agrarian romantics, Maoists and tree-huggers

You've hit on a key aspect of many discussions I have had with leftists and assorted Luddites who have this romanticized view of a lifestyle without machinery, IC engines, electricity, etc. The fact is, they've never had to live that way, and so don't understand what it was really like. For those who have, it was a very arduous, difficult lifestyle, a daily struggle of hard labor to secure the basics of survival. It involved dawn-to-dusk labor and nothing else, and I'm talking difficult, sweaty, physical labor of a type 99% of the population has never done (certainly not the elite Luddites, for whom typing on a keyboard is their idea of "work", or welfare types in the cities). It was a lifestyle where very few children ever went beyond a grade school education, because they had to go to work on the farm. The average lifespan ended in your forties, because half of your children would die in childhood.

So maybe the thing to do is to take these agrarian romanticists and Luddities out to the wilderness, leave them there, and say, okay, you wanted it, you got it, you're on your own. Check back with them every so often. My guess is as soon as they can't keep warm at night, or go hungry for a few days, they'll be crying to go back to their heated loft apartments, ready to jump into their car and head to the nearest McDonald's.

66 posted on 05/15/2011 7:47:37 AM PDT by chimera
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