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Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate
Newsmax ^ | May 15, 2011 | Newsmax Wires

Posted on 05/15/2011 6:07:07 PM PDT by libstripper

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To: libstripper

He spent too many years breathing fumes given off by all those libs in academia. Rotted his brain.


201 posted on 05/15/2011 9:57:51 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: terycarl

You’re kidding, right? I was around during the rise of Reagan. The MSM pilloried him routinely. Remember Bedtime for Bonzo? That’s your idea of them picking him? (head shaking slowly in disbelief).


202 posted on 05/15/2011 10:00:36 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: rod1
Don't forget Newt's commercial supporting Cap & Tax with Pelosi. That did it for me. And they trotted the ad out as soon as he announced. The guy is radioactive.

Not that Newt has much support here. But it is worth noting that Obama specializes in political hits of his opponents.

203 posted on 05/15/2011 10:05:24 PM PDT by CT
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To: kstewskis

Ping to post 49....


204 posted on 05/15/2011 10:06:12 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: libstripper

Nyet to Newt!


205 posted on 05/15/2011 10:11:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Matchett-PI
I remember when Newt "debated" Kerry on global warming. It turned out to be a love fest with Newt agreeing that GW was manmade and that it had to be addressed urgently. They just disagreed on the best way to do it. Newt coined his "Green Conservative" at the "debate."

Newt is also pushing amnesty using the rationale that we can't deport them. Newt is a legend in his own mind. He thinks he has a giant intellect. Newt is part of the problem, not the solution. How the hell did we get into our current state of bankruptcy and lack of an energy program? The political/ruling class that Newt is a member of has failed this nation. They would rather play Santa Claus and get reelected than make the hard decisions to save the country.

And I won't even describe Newt's lack of character in his personal life.

206 posted on 05/15/2011 10:11:51 PM PDT by kabar
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To: libstripper
NEWT'S TOAST!!!

BURNT TOAST, to be exact.

207 posted on 05/15/2011 10:12:31 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A free man unarmed is just a slave on borrowed time.)
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To: MestaMachine

The reason why I mentioned West is that he such a contrast in character when compared to Obama. He refutes the media’s belief that all blacks MUST be liberal.

In West you have a man who cares about America, wants to defeat her enemies and wants to preserve and strengthen the institutions and beliefs that made her great.

The media fawns all over Obama, saying he’s an historical figure because he’s black, blah blah blah. But there is no substance behind Obama, other than a desire to tear down America and throw her under the bus. Like Rush always says, “Obama has a chip on his shoulder.”

West is a man of character, grace and decency, attributes sorely lacking in Obama. Palin / West or West / Palin would shake up the political scene.....we don’t need any more elderly RINOs.....we need an exciting ticket.

That’s why I support Janice Rogers Brown for the U.S. Supreme Court.....not because she’s a woman or a black woman, it’s because she has a brilliant conservative legal mind.


208 posted on 05/15/2011 10:22:53 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama is a bigger threat to the safety of America than Osama)
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To: magritte
Gingrich’s belief is basically keeping private insurance but subsidizing the poor’s portion...world of difference between the two...

Gingrich favors a health care mandate for insurance. The Ryan plan wants to retain private insurance and expand it for use by Medicare recipients (those below 55). He would use a form of means testing to determine the amount of government subsidy for Medicare recipients. The individual would select his/her own health plans in much the same way that federal employees do now. Ryan also supports giving bloc grants to the states to fund Medicaid.

Gingrich has not said how he will reform Medicare, which will go broke in 5 to 9 years. It is unsustainable as currently structured. With the number of retirees doubling in the next 20 years, i.e., by 2030 one in every five residents of this country will be 65 and older. And by 2030, there will be just 2 workers for every retiree. Our current entitlement programs represent an unfunded liabillity of $100 trillion to keep the promises made. It is impossible to sustain these programs.

Newt's slam against the "radical" Ryan plan that was approved by almost every Rep in the House was a dastardly move to make Newt more acceptable to the mushy middle. Newt is trying to create the impression that he is a centrist. I would move him more to the Left despite his pretense of being a conservative.

209 posted on 05/15/2011 10:26:37 PM PDT by kabar
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210 posted on 05/15/2011 10:28:33 PM PDT by mdel747
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To: onyx
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211 posted on 05/15/2011 10:38:42 PM PDT by mdel747
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Gotcha! We agree. It’s just that the “race” thing has gotten so out of hand and so insane, that it bothers me when ANYONE brings it up as a reason for anything. I do understand exactly what you are saying though, and on the merits, couldn’t agree more.


212 posted on 05/15/2011 10:52:33 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: Rashputin; eyedigress; All

I am not quite clear why it is OK to require insurance to drive a car, but not require insurance for guaranteed care in an emergency room. What is the constitutional difference?

Regarding rational health care, about 35 years ago several of us approached a major health insurance company with an idea. They gave use their annualy medical payout records on over 1,000 customers. Upon analysis we found that 1 tenth of a customers were responsible for 9 tenths of the cost. We then proposed an experiment wherein the high cost group would be offered the opportunity to receive health counseling and nutritional and dietary education. We figured that some would be willing (the experimental subjects), and some would be uninterested (the controls). The two groups would then be followed up for a year or two to determine if there was a significant reduction in the health care costs of the experimental group. Unfortunately, the insurance company decided not to do the study.

Meanwhile for the next 35 years I followed good dietary and health practices and taught them to my family and others, with very good results. For example, my 40 year old son has NEVER had a cavity. My father who suffered severe spring hay fever for 30 or more years, was cured in one month following my advice and never suffered again during the 20 years to his death at 90. I had a long conversation with a woman social worker about therapeutic nutrition. Two years later she wrote me a note saying she had done my recommended reading and helped about 70 or 80 people.

These are practical low cost methods of dealing with symptoms, but the medical and drug industry establishment will always resist putting them into widespread practice. We could probably afford Obamacare if this approach were followed, but it ain’t likely to happen, McGee.


213 posted on 05/15/2011 11:49:59 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

I am not quite clear why it is OK to require insurance to drive a car, but not require insurance for guaranteed care in an emergency room. What is the constitutional difference?


States’ rights versus the federal government enumeration of power. Difference is that driving a car is a privilege; you could choose to move or not drive if you don’t like your state’s insurance provisions—for example, Michigan is a no-fault state and charges about 6x what Illinois does for auto insurance I would not want to live in MI and have to insure a vehicle. I don’t have to—I can move or I can not drive. Not so with Obamacare—I would have to leave the US; lose citizenship status....


214 posted on 05/15/2011 11:55:53 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: gleeaikin
Aside from the State vs Federal issue (which is really the main one to me), the Constitution does not permit forcing someone to engage in commerce rather than abstain from commerce. It allows the regulation of inter State commerce, not dictating what commerce takes place.

Beyond that, unless and until someone defines what level of health care is a right (if any) and what health care is above that benchmark, no national plan can work. Do you have the right to have webbing between your toes removed by a plastic surgeon so you won't be embarrassed in gym class? I've heard of people forcing insurance companies to pay for that sort of surgery, is that a right? In some places, courts have ruled both oversize and undersized breasts to be psychological burdens in order to force insurance companies to pay for reduction and enlargement surgery, will that be covered? Viagra? Ritalin? Sex change surgery? And so on.

There's no way to make good decisions about universal coverage with or without “lifestyle training” (not pejorative, just what folks around here have called the sort of training you mentioned) until after we deregulate health care for about two decades and find out just what economies and efficiencies are really possible.

JMHO

215 posted on 05/16/2011 12:56:15 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: libstripper

What the hell happened to this man? Do they still have the fingerprints and photos to the dead boy they found in his bed or something?


216 posted on 05/16/2011 1:06:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: eyedigress
Dood. The man just said he wants to force all citizens to buy a federal product. That is unheard of, unprecedented, unconstitutional, unreal.

I don't want to hear his crap in a debate, and I certainly don't want to see him as a nominee.

217 posted on 05/16/2011 1:11:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: eyedigress
You are having fun eh? Newt Gingrich is a serious debater. I will support him in this endeavor. That’s all.

Yeah, if you like hearing a debate from the perspective of a progressive, uberliberal unconstitutional conservative-wannabe.

218 posted on 05/16/2011 1:20:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Another one bites the dust.


219 posted on 05/16/2011 2:04:30 AM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: gleeaikin

“I am not quite clear why it is OK to require insurance to drive a car, but not require insurance for guaranteed care in an emergency room. What is the constitutional difference?”

2 other people had address the legal difference between a State and The Federal goverment, as well as the difference between regulating an existing intrastate action(even if you uses some twisted logic to call it interstate) and calling into existence a new action.

I will also point out that Until 1986 hospital rooms could refuses people who did not demonstrate their ability to pay. The Democrats forced thou at the last minute the COBRA bill which made it illegal for a hospital to turn away anyone for not paying. The Effect was naturally a lot of hospitals going into backroom and a massive consolidation of the healthcare provider industry.(Which in-turn led to a consolation of the insurance industry)

The reason we can’t do that is because Congress passed a law in 1986(COBRA standing for: “Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act”) effectively mandating hospitals give out free goods and services. This is also in no small part the reason for the high cost of healthcare.


220 posted on 05/16/2011 3:28:19 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Aria

I assume, since they have the ability and desire to buy insurance, that they can’t because of some pre-existing condition? They can make arrangments to pay for care on their own then.


221 posted on 05/16/2011 4:12:10 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: MestaMachine

I hope to God you are right about Palin/West being unbeatable, but I’m afraid it’s just the opposite. The ticket would be excoriated for their lack of experience and the sheeple would be brainwashed into voting for the “experience” of Obama/Biden.


222 posted on 05/16/2011 5:12:16 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye

You can NOT listen to, watch, or speak with Alan West and believe he lacks the “experience” it takes to govern. And Sarah has beat them at their own game already...more than once.


223 posted on 05/16/2011 5:20:22 AM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: terycarl

Daniels is no Reagan. I hear he may have some ‘splaining to do over his Muslim celebrations in the Governors Mansion.


224 posted on 05/16/2011 5:30:56 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: gleeaikin

“I am not quite clear why it is OK to require insurance to drive a car, but not require insurance for guaranteed care in an emergency room. What is the constitutional difference?”

You can’t be serious.
You CHOOSE to buy and drive a car.,,and it is usually one you can afford that fits your life. You know that if you choose to drive a car, it is a “PRIVILEGE,” not a right. You pay for the PRIVILEGE. It is a choice all the way. And if you cannot afford to pay for the PRIVILEGE, you do without the car. No government entity requires you to buy a car whether you want it or not. THAT would be your equivalent, not automobile insurance.

Requiring someone to buy health insurance they can’t or don’t want to afford is like forcing someone to buy a car they don’t want so that everyone else can buy a car.


225 posted on 05/16/2011 5:46:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: kabar; All
And I won't even describe Newt's lack of character in his personal life.

IMHO that glaring lack of character in his "personal life" simply illustrates his total lack of character in all of his life, particularly including his political life. In the political world he's done the same thing to his former suppoters and admirers, of whom I am definitely one, that he did to his two former wives.

When he gave his immediate post-announcement inteview to Hannity, I posted a commdent that essentialy said everything he said was great, except for the fact that he was the one saying it; however, given his glaring lack of character, there was no way anyone could tell if he really meant it or was just being a grifter. Turns out he was just being the Newt the Grifter that he's always been.

226 posted on 05/16/2011 6:03:53 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: eyedigress

OK, I’ll bite. Name five issues Newt is in step with Tea Party Conservatives?

And while you’re at it please include a very important one—family values. Tell me why this man could ever be considered a role model for my grandchildren?


227 posted on 05/16/2011 6:54:03 AM PDT by dools0007world
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To: bluedressman

You stated” I’m not supporting Newt, but let’s not distort what he said. He isn’t exactly backing obamacare. Not even close.”

I watched & listened with my own ears & he didn’t just disagree with Paul Ryan’s plan..he called it “right wing social engineering”.
He did actually state “I believe all of us — and this is going to be a big debate — I believe all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care,” I didn’t distort his words, he believes in a MANDATE.
His RINO colors came shining through!!


228 posted on 05/16/2011 7:01:33 AM PDT by UrbanPanhandler (To find something "Wrong" in anything, just find where government has regulated it.)
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To: Monorprise

I love the driving a car insurance mandate response.
I heard it at work from a co-worker that said since we have to have insurance to buy a car..why not for health insurance?
I gave him a quick newsflash “NOT EVERYONE DRIVES!! If you don’t want car insurance, mass transit works, walking, riding a bike. But you cannot escape Health insurance because everyone that lives would be required to get it”
I go on & explain it further to the Obama bot but it still doesn’t sink in.


229 posted on 05/16/2011 7:18:30 AM PDT by UrbanPanhandler (To find something "Wrong" in anything, just find where government has regulated it.)
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To: Wolfie

You and I agree on a lot of things, and this too ultimately. What I’m NOT willing to do is address any circumstances our citizens must face, until we get the issue of foreign nationals addressed.

Our national leaders must be on the crack pipe, to continue going at us from behind on the issues concerning immigration, and I’m damned tired of it.


230 posted on 05/16/2011 9:16:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Tell me you haven't asked yourself what mistake Obama made, that wound up causing Laden's death?)
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To: Wolfie

So easy for you to say - just pay for care on their own - until they are bankrupt. Yes, what an excellent solution. /s


231 posted on 05/16/2011 9:24:13 AM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Noumenon

Gingrich had a knack for using focus groups of certain demographics, finding what they are “Hot” about, and charting a political course which just promises to arrive at that end destination. That is not entirely bad, but Gingrich is void of his own ideas and goals. He just draws from the focus groups, being disinterested in the dynamics or validity of the ideas, but very enthusiastic about where those ideas will bring HIM!


232 posted on 05/16/2011 10:51:43 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Aria
So easy for you to say - just pay for care on their own - until they are bankrupt. Yes, what an excellent solution. /s

So who should pay? The American taxpayer? Should doctors and hospitals be forced by the government to do charity work? Should insurance companies be forced by the government to insure people with pre-existing conditions at a loss?

233 posted on 05/16/2011 10:55:47 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: UrbanPanhandler

Very few people had health insurance prior to the 1950’s and yet somehow the work did not stop spinning, people not only got by with respect to the medical technology of the time they thrived.

Health Insurance is the idea that a 3rd party can take responsibility for your health insurance costs without having any real control over your health choices that necessarily lead to them costs.

That is to say everything from the risks you take to the way you take care of yourself. In every respect there is almost always something someone can do to avoid incurring a health issue.

It is the very idea of Health insurance which is either at war with the idea of cost control(by removing price selection) or is repressive to individuals.

Repressive for refusing to pay for health services for either unknown or disagreeable(to the individual) reasons.

All the while it was the Government that pushed and prodded us into precisely this situation, and acted as if there was no other way to go. Even Republicans act as if there is no other way to go but greater and greater % of the population that are “insured”, and thus not directly responsible for the cost of their health choices.


234 posted on 05/16/2011 1:59:44 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Wolfie

My opinion is there should be a national high risk pool that one can buy into and that provides major medical coverage. This should be funded by a tax or whatever that is funded by insurance companies. Since it would be national and major medical only - and I’m no actuary - I’m guessing the cost might be decent. It would be better than nothing and give an option to those who for whatever reason don’t qualify for normal health insurance. And it would come at a cost to the insured - not free.


235 posted on 05/16/2011 2:36:08 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: MestaMachine

I love listening to West, but it would be easy to paint him as inexperienced. West isn’t running for that very reason, and I don’t see a scenario where Sarah would pick him if she got the nomination.


236 posted on 05/16/2011 3:32:32 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: kabar

everyone has coverage even if only a few pay for it. its how we pay for it that is of debate. i don’t like or trust newt simply based on his green crap with pelosi, but he has never advocated a single payer system, which is what obamacare guarantees.


237 posted on 05/17/2011 10:04:15 AM PDT by bluedressman
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To: bushwon
am not quite clear why it is OK to require insurance to drive a car, but not require insurance for guaranteed care in an emergency room. What is the constitutional difference?

you are not required to have insurance on your car to cover you, you are only required to have liability insurance to cover those who you may injure....completely different concept.

238 posted on 05/18/2011 3:42:41 PM PDT by terycarl
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