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The dead infant and the birth-certificate mystery
WorldNetDaily ^ | May 17, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/17/2011 7:27:18 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’m trying to read the book and here too.


51 posted on 05/17/2011 8:48:50 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: FreeAtlanta

What’s not right is someone stealing something that belonged to a dead infant and is being used to destroy a society the infant was to be born into.


52 posted on 05/17/2011 8:52:30 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: doc1019; norge
What parts of the article are not credible? You think the grave marker was photo shopped?


53 posted on 05/17/2011 8:53:56 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

At least now we know why the phony COLB on fightthesmears had a black rectangle instead of a number, don’t we?

It’s still there:

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate


54 posted on 05/17/2011 8:55:07 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Kleon

Klein is apparently supportive of what this whole thing is about:

A precedent regarding future US presidents being foreign nationals.


55 posted on 05/17/2011 8:55:17 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Kleon

You continuously look foolish!


56 posted on 05/17/2011 8:58:38 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Tomio Sunahara standing in a field in the Maritime Alps. Champagne Campaign. Maritime Alps, France.

http://memory.hawaii.edu/object/io_1195352535465.html

FATHER TOMIO FOUGHT IN WW2.


57 posted on 05/17/2011 8:59:19 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Brown Deer

?


58 posted on 05/17/2011 9:01:14 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin/Bachmann, unbeatable.)
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To: atc23

Arabs, wetbacks, whatever

Works for Kleon , huh?


59 posted on 05/17/2011 9:01:19 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: atc23

Arabs, wetbacks, whatever

Works for Kleon , huh?


60 posted on 05/17/2011 9:01:19 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Deaf Smith
Trump dropped out of the POTUS race with out revealing what his experts found about the new BC Hussein released.

So *someone* got to Donald Trump? Wonder who and why?

61 posted on 05/17/2011 9:02:56 PM PDT by madison10
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To: ladyjane

LOL!

Be right back. You made me laugh so hard, I have to fetch my rescue inhaler.


62 posted on 05/17/2011 9:04:20 PM PDT by Califreak (You can't go swimming in a baseball pool)
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To: atc23

Hmmm. “Satanic” interesting choice of words considering the evil that seems to surround this subject.


63 posted on 05/17/2011 9:09:09 PM PDT by pankot
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Oooops!

——excerpt
“the Obama administration secretly spent $23 million of U.S. taxpayer dollars in Kenya to fund a “Yes” vote on a referendum on a comprehensive new constitution that would increase access to abortions in Kenya and establish legal status for Shariah, or Islamic law, tribunals.”

Jerome, Corsi (2011). Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President (Kindle Locations 1192-1194). WND Books. Kindle Edition.

——end of excerpt


64 posted on 05/17/2011 9:10:17 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You too, eh?


65 posted on 05/17/2011 9:10:41 PM PDT by pankot
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To: AlexW

OK, you have convinced me . . . so now, how do we “force” the media to do anything about these allegations? I need to know how we get ABC, NBC. CBS, MSNBC, to start seriously investigating Hussein Obama and his alleged bogus SSN & BC.
The only one we have on our side is FOX and they are constantly degraded by the liberal left at the above identified networks.


66 posted on 05/17/2011 9:14:08 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Crucial

I agree, but I still don’t see a stranger questioning any women of the loss of something so precious. Be it a year or 70 years, it is heartless.

I would never do it and I have low regard to anyone who would.


67 posted on 05/17/2011 9:17:01 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

What the heck?! Has this just been one long lifelock commercial and we’re just now getting to the punchline?


68 posted on 05/17/2011 9:20:59 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: Mr. Wright
Same way you get the POTUS, SCOTUS and Congress to follow the Constitution.
69 posted on 05/17/2011 9:21:50 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Mr. Wright

“OK, you have convinced me . . . so now, how do we “force” the media to do anything about these allegations?”
______________________________________

The media will not bend. They are part of the Marxist cabal.
Obama could come out and admit that he is constitutionally an illegal POTUS, and they would just yawn and claim that the rules are outdated.

The left, including the media, have one goal...Turn America into a highly controlled socialist state.


70 posted on 05/17/2011 9:24:24 PM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: madison10
So *someone* got to Donald Trump? Wonder who and why?

Donald got trumped by the deck of race cards played when he went on to the college grades questions.

71 posted on 05/17/2011 9:38:45 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Kleon; Hotlanta Mike

What sort of person would use the birth certificate number of a baby who died shortly after birth; that is the most important question.


72 posted on 05/17/2011 9:40:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Perdogg
I wish people would just move on from this...

Move on? Hey, that's catchy. Maybe you could start a website and call it moveon.com, or something like that.

73 posted on 05/17/2011 9:41:57 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Yaelle

74 posted on 05/17/2011 9:42:47 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Mr. Wright

You MUST be joking - FOX is as much in the tank as the rest of them! Apparently you didn’t hear that Hannity was supposed to have the first radio interview with Corsi today...Hannity cancelled a few hours prior to airtime. The closest they’ve come to touching this was when Eric Bolling had Pam Gellar on Follow the Money a while back -

The media FEEDS on the phony debate between the Ds and Rs - but None of them have the courage to stand up and speak the truth...certainly not Fox.


75 posted on 05/17/2011 9:43:19 PM PDT by DrinkDeep (Drink Deep the water of life (Heinlein))
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To: Mr. Wright

Quit trying to kill jobs, someone pays well for people to come on these threads and ridicule the researchers.


76 posted on 05/17/2011 9:51:19 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: mnehring
Or she is an 83 year old woman who doesn't want to re-live the loss of a child and wants people to leave her alone.

That was my thought as well.

77 posted on 05/17/2011 9:53:26 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: madison10

Trump was bluffing. He had nothing, yet was still able to get Zero to produce a fraudulent document and present it as legit. The bluff worked, as it will lead to Zero’s undoing and the downfall of many corrupt people on te left. I just hope it doesn’t take too long. Sooner is better.


78 posted on 05/17/2011 9:56:59 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: Red Steel; Fred Nerks
Tina Luke

Virginia Sunahara
79 posted on 05/17/2011 10:06:00 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer; little jeremiah

DOES THIS HAVE A FAMILIAR RING TO IT?

“Editor’s Note: The following two paragraphs are the information which Ms. Daniels sent us quoted from Ayers’s Fugitive Dreams:

“After the Baltimore fiasco, stealing ID was forbidden. Instead we began to build ID sets around documents as flimsy as a fishing license or a laminated card available in a Times Square novelty shop called “Official ID.” We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart, and the best source of those were dead-baby birth certificates. I spent impious days over the next several months tramping through rural cemeteries in Iowa and Wisconsin, Illinois and North Dakota,searching for those sad little markers of people born between 1940 and 1950 who had died between 1945 and 1955. The numbers were surprising: two in one graveyard, a cluster of fourteen in another. Those poor souls had typically been issued birth certificates—available to us at any county courthouse for a couple of bucks and a simple form with information I could copy from the death announcement at the archive of the local paper—but they had never applied for a Social Security card.

“Collecting those birth certificates became a small industry, and within a year we had over a hundred. For years I was a paper-made Joseph Brown, and then an Anthony Lee, remarkably durable identities. My on-paper official residences: a transient hotel in San Francisco and a warehouse in New York.”
20 posted on Monday, May 16, 2011 7:15:29 PM by Seizethecarp

451 posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:05:56 PM by little jeremiah


80 posted on 05/17/2011 10:13:10 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Brown Deer

Constrained placemarker


81 posted on 05/17/2011 10:15:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Fred Nerks

book mark


82 posted on 05/17/2011 10:16:27 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Kleon

“What sort of person would ask someone for the birth certificate of their dead baby?”

Joseph Farah?


83 posted on 05/17/2011 10:19:23 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Good find!


84 posted on 05/17/2011 10:19:57 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I wish people would just move on from this, it just makes 0bama more popular.

If wishes were horses....beggars would ride...

.........see tag line....>

85 posted on 05/17/2011 10:22:02 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: Red Steel

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/PRF/individual_record.asp?recid=1462103695&lds=2&region=-1&regionfriendly=&frompage=99

the original is back up.


86 posted on 05/17/2011 10:24:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

“Obama Activist Jay McKinnon Forges a COLB”

Jerome, Corsi (2011). Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President (Kindle Location 1530). WND Books. Kindle Edition.


87 posted on 05/17/2011 10:25:57 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I have EVEN a lower regard for anyone who would use the birth cert. number of a baby who died, for nefarious criminal scams.


88 posted on 05/17/2011 10:27:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Mr. Wright; AlexW

The idea that conservatives should do or not do anything based on the fact that the MSM won’t report about it, or will lie about it, means THEY HAVE WON!!!

Screw the MSM. Kowtowing to them is insane, it’s defeat, it’s waving the white flag, it’s deserting in wartime.

Have you no courage?


89 posted on 05/17/2011 10:29:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: FreeAtlanta; little jeremiah

Virginia’s brother would be someone to approach.


90 posted on 05/17/2011 10:29:21 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fred Nerks; little jeremiah

91 posted on 05/17/2011 10:38:56 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

More and more puzzle pieces are falling into place.


92 posted on 05/17/2011 10:41:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: AlexW

If I read the Constitutionas to its words the courts especially the SC is authorised only to deal with ‘citizens’ category no directive as ‘natural born citizen’ category. Of course the SC might have jurisdiction to make a ruling as to Constitutional meanining of ‘natural born’ in which case the ball for any following action would be in Congress. As I see it the SC cannot rule that ‘citizen’ is the equal or same as ‘natural born citizen’ because the Constitution’s written words call for a/the difference as to POTUSA and Representatives/Senators. At least I assume the explicit words of the Constitution are the ‘Law of the Land’ above any court opinion.


93 posted on 05/17/2011 10:43:11 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: little jeremiah

“Screw the MSM. Kowtowing to them is insane, it’s defeat, it’s waving the white flag, it’s deserting in wartime.”
____________________________________

I do not know why you include me.
I do not kowtow to ANYONE, especially the US MSM, which I have not seen or heard since 2005.

You have to face the fact that they DO influence the 50%
of Americans that are brain dead.
How else do you think America got an illegal and Marxist POTUS?


94 posted on 05/17/2011 10:45:44 PM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: rolling_stone

I especially appreciate his mention of the transaction log.

WND had an article about a letter that was written by one of the head HDOH guys when the HDOH was trying to meet the standards as it switched from territory to state. The letter described that the numbers were given immediately when the BC was accepted by the state registrar, which fits with what Okubo said on the UIPA responses. There should have been no delay in assigning the numbers.

Yet when CNN did a piece before Obama posted the longform, they asked Stig Waidelich to request a birth certificate - supposedly to prove that a COLB is the default, what a person gets when they don’t specifically ask for a copy of a longform. We already knew that. What was interesting, though, was that they had a shot of Waidelich’s BC# and it was way out of sequence. Supposedly filed on Aug 8, the same day as Obama’s was supposedly filed. But it was something like 40 numbers higher than the Nordykes’ which were filed 3 days later.

No way that happened. Definitely fishy. I suspect that CNN and the HDOH planned that out in advance so that the BC# would be altered just for that COLB to be printed out and then put back how it was before. Someone on my blog pointed out that the HDOH web page says that they don’t do walk-up BC’s; they normally take a week to be printed out, unless there is a request for an urgency exception. I didn’t see the CNN piece, but if Waidelich walked up and got a COLB then and there, he either had an exception filled out (which would defeat CNN’s purpose of trying to show what the routine procedure is) OR it was requested a week earlier and was ready for pick-up when CNN filmed Waidelich picking it up at the HDOH office. A week is plenty of time to print a custom COLB with altered BC#.

If so, that fits right in line with the analysis by this guy, suggesting that different BC’s were used to patch together the parts needed to get the desired result on Obama’s long-form - which means that the HDOH actually created the forgery using the BC’s they have at their disposal. If the HDOH was willing to do that, I’m sure they would be willing to shift BC#’s around.

And the only way to know they did it would be to see the transaction logs for all the involved records. When this finally gets investigated I want to find out whether Stig Waidelich’s BC# changed for a day.

The most damaging piece of evidence regarding the possibility that Sunahara’s BC# was stolen wasn’t included in the WND piece: even though her name is in their 1960-64 birth index, the HDOH has claimed they don’t have a birth record for Sunahara. Either they are outright lying about that, or the record that originally had her name no longer shows up when they query her name. Her record is still in the system but it doesn’t have her name on it. We need to know what name IS on that record, and what name changes that record has been through since its origin.

Ultimately, as long as the HDOH is willing to forge long-forms (if what this analysis says is correct) it won’t do us any good even if we could get long-forms, which the HDOH has since sometime in late March refused to do. A convincing forgery, for instance, showing Sunahara having a BC# different than Obama’s (for instance, Stig Waidelich’s REAL BC#) could falsely “debunk” this theory.

The ONLY information that means anything when you’ve got a crooked bureaucracy is the non-manipulable record, which in this case is the transaction logs.

I believe that the public needs to be aware of the discrepancies perpetrated by the HDOH itself, so a demand is created for an audit of the transaction logs. That’s the only way we’re ever gonna know for sure what happened with ANY of these records. And the HDOH has enough records that have anomalies that they could be hiding the marble under any one of 3-4 shifting “cups”.

Something this guy said was very interesting. He said that the transaction logs are supposed to be disclosable to the public in Washington (IIRC) and he thought the same was true for Hawaii. When I asked the HDOH for the transaction log for Obama’s birth record I got a lot of sputtering by the HDOH ultimately ending with them saying it would frustrate a legitimate government function if they disclosed the transaction log.

Seems like the 2 ways that the logs could be audited would be through subpoena in a court case or by a criminal/legal investigation.

Orly Taitz has a case now where she requests discovery of the birth records for Virginia Sunahara. If that or any other case results in “standing” this issue could actually get somewhere.

Sorry to be so long.


95 posted on 05/17/2011 10:52:14 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Fred Nerks; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; wintertime; null and void; ..
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From Post # 80:

“Editor’s Note: The following two paragraphs are the information which Ms. Daniels sent us quoted from Ayers’s Fugitive Dreams:

“After the Baltimore fiasco, stealing ID was forbidden. Instead we began to build ID sets around documents as flimsy as a fishing license or a laminated card available in a Times Square novelty shop called “Official ID.”

"We soon figured out that the deepest and most foolproof ID had a government-issued Social Security card at its heart,

"and the best source of those were dead-baby birth certificates.

"I spent impious days over the next several months tramping through rural cemeteries in Iowa and Wisconsin, Illinois and North Dakota, searching for those sad little markers of people born between 1940 and 1950 who had died between 1945 and 1955.

"The numbers were surprising: two in one graveyard, a cluster of fourteen in another. Those poor souls had typically been issued birth certificates—available to us at any county courthouse for a couple of bucks and a simple form with information I could copy from the death announcement at the archive of the local paper—but they had never applied for a Social Security card.

“Collecting those birth certificates became a small industry, and within a year we had over a hundred. For years I was a paper-made Joseph Brown, and then an Anthony Lee, remarkably durable identities. My on-paper official residences: a transient hotel in San Francisco and a warehouse in New York.”

20 posted on Monday, May 16, 2011 7:15:29 PM by Seizethecarp

451 posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:05:56 PM by little jeremiah

96 posted on 05/17/2011 10:52:59 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: El Sordo; Kleon

I didn’t know that Farah was a FReeper here.

I think the more important questions are:

What sort of low lifes would put down fellow FReepers who have taken risks for the good of our country?

What kind of a person would steal a dead baby’s birth certificate number?

What kind of a person steals social security numbers?


97 posted on 05/17/2011 10:55:43 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Perdogg

“I wish people would just move on from this, it just makes 0bama more popular.”

Got any proof to substantiate that bald statement?


98 posted on 05/17/2011 10:57:11 PM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: mnehring

I don’t agree.

IF it was me, and I have buried a baby who died at eight days old, I would be FURIOUS that my childs death was used this way.

The 83 year old has been paid off, or voted for the Ozombie.

I would be seriously pissed if ANYONE did this to my child.


99 posted on 05/17/2011 11:13:42 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: rolling_stone

“What sort of person would ask someone for the birth certificate of their dead baby?

That’s exactly what a lot of forgers count on....”

That is the point. Forgers DID use the dead baby’s certificate. If the mother HAD a birth certificate, it could be used to COMPARE to the fake.


100 posted on 05/17/2011 11:18:26 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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