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Congressman Prefers Fallen Marine as Name on Navy Cargo Vessel
Fox News ^ | May 18, 2011 | Stephan Clark

Posted on 05/18/2011 11:26:19 AM PDT by jazusamo

The Navy's weighing a decision to name a cargo ship now under construction after labor activist Cesar Chavez has drawn sharp criticism from one veteran lawmaker who says that a military war hero should receive the honor instead.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, said he understands the Navy's desire to honor Hispanic leaders, but the Navy may want to skip the politically divisive names and opt for an outstanding service member.

"If this decision were about recognizing the Hispanic community's contribution to our nation, many other names come to mind, including Marine Corps Sergeant Rafael Peralta, who was nominated for the Medal of Honor for action in Iraq. Peralta is one of many Hispanic war heroes -- some of whom are worthy of the same recognition," said Hunter, a Reserve lieutenant in the Marines.

"And we cannot forget about John Finn, a lifelong San Diego resident who won the Medal of Honor for what he did during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor," Hunter, who represents eastern and northern San Diego county, said in a statement. "Finn is another worthy candidate that was evidently overlooked in the selection process."

Finn died last May at the age of 100.

Peralta was 25 when he died in a battle in Fallujah, Iraq, in 2004. After he was shot in the head by friendly fire, he pulled a grenade lobbed by an insurgent under his body before it detonated. He was nominated for the Medal of Honor for sacrificing his life to save the lives of several of his fellow comrades.

Peralta has not been awarded the Medal of Honor, but was offered the Navy Cross, the second highest honor in the Navy. His family declined to accept it.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cesarchavez; duncanhunter; fallen; hunter; namesake; peralta; unions; usn; usnavy
Good for Congressman Hunter for speaking out to the Navy and Ray Mabus, Cesar Chavez does not warrant having a Navy ship named for him.
1 posted on 05/18/2011 11:26:23 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Correct!


2 posted on 05/18/2011 11:28:17 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: jazusamo

At least one person has some pride in America.


3 posted on 05/18/2011 11:30:14 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: jazusamo
Cesar Chavez does not warrant having a Navy ship named for him.

Chavez is as deserving as Congressman Murtha. [And, yes, I chose my words purposefully.]

4 posted on 05/18/2011 11:30:23 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1
Chavez is as deserving as Congressman Murtha.

I agree and made that point on a thread yesterday.

Ray Mabus is responsible for making the decision on both, we need a new SECNAV.

5 posted on 05/18/2011 11:33:27 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Hey Duncan, call Allan West. He will have your back on this one.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 11:36:01 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Pollster1

Yet another ship I will only refer by pennant number - in polite company.


7 posted on 05/18/2011 11:38:46 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (All Hail the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: jazusamo

We can name a bonka boat out of Thailand after Chavez...


8 posted on 05/18/2011 11:42:08 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: jazusamo

Why not just name it Jimmy Hoffa. Same deal different kind of lettuce.


9 posted on 05/18/2011 11:42:47 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jazusamo

The ship is the last of its class. There are about 12 others. They are named after famous American explorers, Robert Peary, Alan Shepherd, Lewis and Clark, etc. Cesar Chavez does not fit in.


10 posted on 05/18/2011 11:43:16 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: jazusamo

Cesar Chavez was a Mexifornian commie.. and arch leftist..


11 posted on 05/18/2011 11:48:16 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: jazusamo
The Navy's weighing a decision to name a cargo ship now under construction after labor activist Cesar Chavez

This is ABSURD!

12 posted on 05/18/2011 11:49:49 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: forgotten man

Looks from the article that one has already been named after Medgar Evers, the civil rights activist. I had no idea how P.C. this had become.


13 posted on 05/18/2011 11:50:39 AM PDT by rockvillem
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To: jazusamo
Folks apparently this is a USNS ship rather than a USS. Bob Hope has a USNS ship named after him (an entire class I believe)I don't have a great deal of trouble with this, I'm sure others are more deserving, but I'm sure less deserving have so been honored. Regardless, maybe it keeps the name off a DDG-51 for another.

I'm trouble more so with the Marine Sgt.family refusing a Navy Cross or even it being offered. My understanding is he would be nominated and perhaps awarded a Navy Cross regardless of the family's wishes. They may refuse to accept it, but that's merely points of order IMO. The story doesn't seem to cover it, but what is the family's take, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

14 posted on 05/18/2011 11:50:50 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: jazusamo

Peralta should have got the MOH and it would sure as hell be a better idea to name the ship after him rather than a communist who described his time in the Navy as the two worse years of his life.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 11:52:52 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: hosepipe
Cesar Chavez was a Mexifornian commie.. and arch leftist..

Absolutely right, he was a commie union organizer.

16 posted on 05/18/2011 11:53:25 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: thinkthenpost
I'm trouble more so with the Marine Sgt.family refusing a Navy Cross or even it being offered. My understanding is he would be nominated and perhaps awarded a Navy Cross regardless of the family's wishes.

Peralta was nominated for the MOH by the MArine Corps. Eyewitness, his fellow marine, said Peralta grabbed grenade and put it under his body to save his fellow marines. Brass said he couldn't have done it due to head wound though that is diputed by neurologists and eyewitness account.

I don't blame them at all. Peralta should have got MOH, the grenade could not have rolled under center mass.

17 posted on 05/18/2011 11:56:32 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: thinkthenpost

There were many articles posted here regarding Marine Sgt. Peralta and his family. Search keyword Peralta.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 11:57:03 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jwalsh07

I agree!


19 posted on 05/18/2011 11:58:49 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

It’s all about votes for Obama.


20 posted on 05/18/2011 11:59:43 AM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: jazusamo

If they want to name a ship after a marxist, why not just ‘pull out all the stops’ and call it the USS Fidel Castro?


21 posted on 05/18/2011 11:59:55 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: jazusamo

I didn’t say he deserved or didn’t deserve the CMOH. I asked how does one refuse a Navy Cross and whether he might be better honored with a Burke destroyer named after him rather than a USNS cargo ship!

I’ll ask again how is a family offered a Navy Cross?


22 posted on 05/18/2011 12:00:47 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: thinkthenpost

Survivors’ benefits, IIRC.
The family wanted the ‘upgrade’.


23 posted on 05/18/2011 12:01:19 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: jazusamo

If this travesty goes ahead, can a new Sec. of the Navy UNDO it in a new and hopefully Conservative administration next time around?


24 posted on 05/18/2011 12:01:19 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: thinkthenpost
I’ll ask again how is a family offered a Navy Cross?

An officer shows up on your doorstep with the Navy Cross. The family says thanks but no thanks. What goes on his record and whether or not the family accepts the medal when physically offered are two different things.

25 posted on 05/18/2011 12:04:18 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Dawgreg

I’m not sure what could be done in the future to rename the ship.

But in a worst case scenario I suppose a future SecNav could order all personnel off the ship and then let a submarine use it for torpedo practice...


26 posted on 05/18/2011 12:04:58 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: jwalsh07

That’s much more along the lines of what I understand, certainly wasn’t presented that way in the article.

Thanks for the follow up.


27 posted on 05/18/2011 12:06:22 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: thinkthenpost
The story doesn't seem to cover it, but what is the family's take, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Easy, FRiend. If I would have remembered all the particulars about the family I would have related them, they were covered in articles posted here.

28 posted on 05/18/2011 12:07:45 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Not mad at you, just seems like a tempest in a teapot. The two seem unrelated and I'm not real sure the Congress is doing anything approaching a real solution.

I keep going back to the USS vs USNS designation. May not seem like much but it actually is a pretty big difference. Boiled down to brass tacks, USS is Navy crewed and USNS is civilian crewed with a handful of sailors onboard.

You just posted it, don't kill the messenger.

29 posted on 05/18/2011 12:12:44 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: thinkthenpost

This article has a bit of background and seems a touch more evenhanded. IMO

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/navy-duncan-hunter-blasts-ship-name-cesar-chavez-051711w/


30 posted on 05/18/2011 12:18:37 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: jazusamo
"And we cannot forget about John Finn, a lifelong San Diego resident who won the Medal of Honor for what he did during the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor..."

Finn died last May at the age of 100.

Based on what has been posted here RE: the 'USS' vs. 'USNS' designations, I think they should definitely pass on naming it after Mr. Finn, and save his name for a ship that will receive the 'USS' designation.

31 posted on 05/18/2011 12:24:24 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: WayneS

I agree. A Medal of Honor recipient should have their name on a warship.


32 posted on 05/18/2011 12:31:16 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Hispanic leaders?? That is a joke right? leading the white hate!


33 posted on 05/18/2011 12:37:53 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: hosepipe
Cesar Chavez was a Mexifornian commie.. and arch leftist..

He definitely was a communist, I remember his protest marches and how he supported communism. I grew up in San Francisco, a few blocks from Army Street, a main street in SF. More than a decade ago SF renamed it to Cesar Chavez Street, over the protests of many patriotic residents. Many of us (me included) still call it Army Street. These Democrat libs want to destroy anything related to our military.

34 posted on 05/18/2011 12:56:14 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat
After 150 years it'll always be Army St to me as well.

If the leftists want to rename a street to Chavez let em rename Castro or Haight Sts.

35 posted on 05/18/2011 1:01:30 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: WayneS

Sounds like a plan to me......:)


36 posted on 05/18/2011 1:32:11 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: jazusamo
Good for Congressman Hunter for speaking out to the Navy and Ray Mabus, Cesar Chavez does not warrant having a Navy ship named for him.

Don't be so harsh! A garbage scow would be appropriate.

This little man's claim to fame was merely giving voice to the illegal flood of Mexicans who chose to come here and become victims. They became very loud criminals instead.

Not that it matters to Americans. Army Street is still Army Street, Charter Way is still Charter Way and in dozens of other cities and towns throughout California the traditional street names prevail regardless of how many criminals move along the street with the new name.

37 posted on 05/18/2011 2:27:46 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: thinkthenpost
The story doesn't seem to cover it, but what is the family's take, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes total sense to me. The award was given to Marine Corps Sergeant Rafael Peralta, not to his loser family. I suspect they still view themselves as victims, not having received the higher honor. I suspect he could have been awarded both.

In any case, I agree that he deserves the honor of a Ship's name much more than the other little "Commie Community Organizer."

38 posted on 05/18/2011 2:36:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: jazusamo

Ray Mabus is not as bad as SecDef Robert McNamara - yet. But that is faint praise indeed.


39 posted on 05/18/2011 3:16:47 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Fred Hayek

I served on various ships long ago, even visiting some with stupid names (congresscritter names), and I would not have been amused at the ship’s namesake for the recent anti-American names. The name does matter.


40 posted on 05/18/2011 3:19:09 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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