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Have Democrats cracked the code for 2012?
Politico ^ | May 25, 2011 | by Alexander Burns

Posted on 05/25/2011 3:57:15 AM PDT by library user

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To: shoff
Was Corwin a Giuliani/Scozzafava-type RiNO? (Pro-abort, anti-gun, etc.)
101 posted on 05/27/2011 3:50:54 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: screaminsunshine; SaraJohnson; bray
...I wanted them to start cutting things like EPA, and other strangling Federal Agencies. Instead they lead out with Medicare and Social Security.

Good point. And as FRiend SaraJohnson points out in a very good post above, the Tea Party people clearly communicated that they wanted Obamacare taken apart and knocked down as a top priority, and the Patriot Act rewritten and the huge Bankster "TARP" Bailout/Ripoff investigated and undone.

And sure enough, here are some FReepers like FRiend bray, also above, calling instead for tax cuts, just like Sara pointed out, instead of reversing the Obamacare fraudulent legislation.

So why on earth did the Republican Party switch from an Obamacare-repeal and TARP-recovery/fraud-busting agenda, to a mild-mannered, whiny, third-rail-grabbing tax-cut-as-usual agenda?

Sounds like that is a Fortune 500/Chamber/K Street bait-and-switch.

And yes, I mean that it is a switch from what brought all those Republicans to office in November, which Sara pointed out.

The Business Wing/Chamber types like Obamacare because it will allow them to dump off their private healthcare enrolees on the government. Conde Nast's Portfolio warned us in October, 2008, that the fix was already in. The business wing had already done their deal, and were just waiting to get the '08 election out of the way.

Now they just want more tax cuts (always, always, always!). There is no strategy there except "money in my Big Business wheeling, dealing pocket" and supporting Obamacare against the stupid, ugly, below-the-salt Tea Party people whose jobs all need to be outsourced anyway.

Anybody see a hole in that logic?

102 posted on 05/27/2011 4:32:22 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You got it. Now I predict they will find a way to raise taxes without calling it a tax hike. We are in big trouble. The GOP is going to be no help with Obamacare.


103 posted on 05/27/2011 4:44:53 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: stevie_d_64; af_vet_rr; davetex; wolfcreek
Gents, ping to my last.

Note the change of top-level, strategic direction by the Congressional GOP (Boehner).

Conservatives brought Boehner to power on these issues: Obamacare repeal/defunding; Patriot Act and other Obaminoid threats to BoR liberties; TARP/Bankster Treasury raids.

Look what Boehner did with that. Now we are emphasizing tax cuts, overall budget reductions, and restructuring Lyndon Johnson's "third rails".

You'd think we'd elected Bob Dole again. This is not Tea Party concerns at all -- it's a National GOP bait-and-switch away from Obamacare.

I can only conclude that Conde Nast Portfolio's article was right, and the deal has been done behind our backs, in a darkened room. It appears the Lords of Money want Obamacare left alone. Let the Death Panels ride, they do not care what becomes of the rest of us in the hands of people like Barack Obama and Bill Ayers.

104 posted on 05/27/2011 4:55:58 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You summarized the issues well. Our region’s Texas Tea Party is falling apart because it is obvious that the elections outside the state have done nothing to advance the issues that brought them together. With the Texas Senate Republicans folding on protecting citizens from Federal radiation and sexual abuse at the airports, even the State Tea Party is on the rails with the State GOP now.

First, we had the Palin enthusists claim the Tea Party came together to support her. I got a lot of calls on that. Now you have the Republican Rinos claiming the tea party came together to cut off the “stupid and greedy” elderly. The Tea Party had no real leaders and was not born from the the mainstream GOP. The ones who have stood up annointing themselves leaders of the Tea Party have agendas that have nothing to do with why the people who showed up under the Tea Party banner.

This is a serious case of “how can we fool them next.” But no one is fooled but the foolers as we saw in New York. It will be difficult to rally the Tea Party supporters under the GOP “reform” banner again after this massive betrayal and fumble. I can see the Democrats walking away with a lot of elections given the demoralization accomplished by the International Socialist Rino Party. Right off the bat after the elections, they denounced the Tea Party agenda.

The GOP is hopeless but the Rinos really don’t want a majority party competing with their common ground with the DNC limo liberals. Together, the DNC and GOP are outright dangerous to the Republic and to the American people whom they disrespect and hate.

Any Republican candidate who fails to sincerely touch into the Tea Party agenda with proposed solutions, will lose to Obama. These people are past the “lessor of two evils” game. Sad.


105 posted on 05/27/2011 5:33:18 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: lentulusgracchus

Since I’m not on this thread or ever said what you are accusing me of, leave me off your attacks.

Pray for America


106 posted on 05/27/2011 6:27:25 AM PDT by bray (Hey Country Club, hold Sarah's coat while she kicks his ____.)
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To: bray
Post 83 is yours:
To: library user

We need to fix the budget and entitlements no matter what the vote. It is time America chooses between communism and fiscal sanity.

Pray for America

83 posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:00:45 AM by bray (Sarah is a Pa-lin the commie libs arse.)
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That's the post I was referring to above.

107 posted on 05/27/2011 7:11:41 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

So how do you get only tax cuts out of that? Isn’t obamacare communism?

Please leave me out of your attacks.

Pray for America


108 posted on 05/27/2011 7:26:20 AM PDT by bray (Hey Country Club, hold Sarah's coat while she kicks his ____.)
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To: bray
We need to fix the budget and entitlements

I cited your post as an example of someone who agrees with the Boehner/Ryan recasting of the priority issues facing the Congress.

I disagree with them, and you, and say Priority One should be getting the Obamacare bill repealed, first, because it's more urgent by far and potentially as damaging as the other two combined. (And I didn't add that, worse, Obamacare brings to public policy for the first time a new element of the Death Culture -- medical rationing and passive, and eventually active, euthanasia for "less productive" members of society [like conservatives, white people, people w/o Ph.D. degrees, and so on].)

And I'm not "attacking" you -- if I did, you'd certainly know it.

109 posted on 05/27/2011 7:34:27 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“BAIT AND SWITCH”

That’s coming directly from the Republican Party leadership...

They are the one’s who are trying to purge the Tea Party folks from the ranks of that party...

So if they are willing to burn bridges after we give them a majority, it may very well be time for a change...

The “R” pedigree is NOT what it used to be...


110 posted on 05/27/2011 8:40:32 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: screaminsunshine
They are so lame.

Look in the mirror.

The EPA is a small slice of the big orange Discretionary slice. As a budget item, it's mice nuts. It does most of its damage not by draining federal dollars but by imposing unwarranted costs on the general economy.

If you are serious about solving the deficit, you have to reform entitlements. You can't fix what's wrong with Medicare by throwing more money at it. It must be restructured, and Ryan's is the only serious plan I've seen for doing that!

111 posted on 05/27/2011 9:07:59 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: lentulusgracchus
The Business Wing/Chamber types like Obamacare because it will allow them to dump off their private healthcare enrolees on the government.

If that were the case, we wouldn't be hearing about all these waivers being granted. Instead, they'd be howling to speed up Obamacare's implementation. Your populism sucks.

112 posted on 05/27/2011 9:13:49 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: lentulusgracchus

Since you seem to know my thoughts better than I do, perhaps you should educate yourself rather than extrapolating nonsense:
http://www.brayincandy.com/

I will wait for your apology.

Pray for America


113 posted on 05/27/2011 10:29:28 AM PDT by bray (Hey Country Club, hold Sarah's coat while she kicks his ____.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Priority One should be getting the Obamacare bill repealed

Check the 2010 results. We don't have the votes to repeal Obamacare. The best we can do now is withhold funding for its implementation and kill it off completely in 2013, when we hopefully will have the the votes and the White House.

114 posted on 05/27/2011 10:34:44 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
If that were the case, we wouldn't be hearing about all these waivers being granted. Instead, they'd be howling to speed up Obamacare's implementation. Your populism sucks.

Read the article. October, 2008, Conde Nast Portfolio, quoting big-dog academic and business healthcare "experts". Done deal, d'accord at the top of the business and political worlds. Black letters on white paper -- not just something I'm imagining, not something I dreamed up after eating a pizza.

115 posted on 05/27/2011 1:40:18 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: cynwoody
We don't have the votes to repeal Obamacare.

We do have the wherewithal to attack TARP, which is a big bag of money (some of it unspent) which can be gotten into. And TARP was where Obama and Pelosi hid the Death Panels provision of Obamacare. Much of the implementation machinery is in the TARP bill instead.

So why aren't Boehner and the guys going after TARP?

116 posted on 05/27/2011 1:47:03 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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