Skip to comments.Have Democrats cracked the code for 2012?
Posted on 05/25/2011 3:57:15 AM PDT by library user
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The battle over the federal deficit hasnt flipped in favor of the Democrats. The GOP isnt suddenly at grave risk of losing its House majority.
But after two years of getting pummeled over spending and the size of government, Democrats now appear to have found a political weapon thats capable of evening out the fight: Medicare.
The popular entitlement program wasnt the sole issue behind Kathy Hochuls upset victory in a New York special election Tuesday night, but strategists in both parties say it was an important force. And for the first time since November, the idea that Democrats might have a shot at winning back the House is no longer a laughing matter.
The three-way race between Hochul, Republican Assemblywoman Jane Corwin and self-funding independent Jack Davis offers at best mixed omens for the 2012 campaign. Hochul drew a stronger than expected 47 percent of the vote, and Corwin won an anemic 42 percent, but the 9 percent Davis took as a third-party candidate prevented any candidate from getting a telling majority.
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There's only a 5-point difference between the two candidates, sheesh!
Besides, the reason the Democrat won is because of the conservative independent candidate who ran.
If not for him, the Democrat would have lost this race.
Let them think they won it because of their strategy.
And the 3rd party fake Tea party candidate a “former” wealthy democrat did just what he was supposed to do.. take the winning majority away from the Republican ...watch for more 3rd party candidates in republican districts
They will pound away with Mediscare and terrorize senile citizens. The GOP was ineffective in explaining their plan. One insane Rat was screaming the Republicans are going to throw Granny out of the Nursing Home. It will get even worse with the aid of the MSM. Ryan walked in to this one with eyes wide open.
The independent isn’t a conservative. Don’t be fooled by the Tea Party mask.
What it did do is remind TEA Party folks and Conservatives what happens when Third Party Candidates run ~ namely, we lose and the Democrats win.
The third party candidate wasn’t a conservative independent. He was a former democrat candidate who created his own “Tea Party” line and confused some of the electorate. This type of false flag operation could be used in 2012.
So, the question then becomes: Why were the NY TEApartiers so easily head-faked? Not rying to slam New Yorkers (way too easy); asking a legitimate question.
Easy. New Yorkers are stupid, lazy, greedy, oh & did I mention stupid?
they took out 500billion from medicare for obamacare. I don’t see how that benefit them. They’re not saving medicare by bankrupting the nation. They’re ensuring medicare die
We are in Soviet territory. The problem with people in New York is that they don't think they should ever have to pay for anything... ever.
They don't care that there is no money in Medicare... make somebody or some other state pay. That is how blue states think. Look at Detroit. That is what New Yorkers and all residents of blue states want for this country.
I guess only New Yorkers are stupid enough to fall for the fake Tea Party candidates. Hey were run all around the country last year with zero affect. We had one in our district and our GOP candidate beat the Dem incumbent. NY voters do not reflect any other state that matters in 2012.
Donald Trump was a template and prototype, eh?
"A former Democrat running as a Tea Party standard-bearer, Davis likely skewed the results against the GOP nomine."
That's the key and that's also the democrat strategy. No matter what they use as their misdirection vehicle, getting a third party in the race is their real strategy. There will be one or more big money "former democrat" donors trying to get a third party on the national ticket, probably someone claiming to be a "Tea Party Democrat" or some such crap. If they can't drum someone up on their own, they'll hand a ton of cash to some idiot Republican who claims that he represents the "real" republican party.
No matter how they like to rewrite history, the democrat money folks know exactly why Clinton beat Bush 41, and it wasn't because Bill was a wonderful politician. It was because someone was in the race specifically to hurt Bush over a personal feud and enough Americans were dumb enough to vote third party that the election went to Clinton. Voting third party is always just a way to have plausible deniability while voting democrat. People who don't want the hassle of defending a democrat vote or of defending not voting, can beat their chest, talk about what a pure conservative they are, and still make a solid democrat vote on election day.
You're confusing what they actually did with what they will SAY they did.
make medicare a state program. I love to see the tax increases the blue state have to come up to fund this. They drive out all the businesses
“So, the question then becomes: Why were the NY TEA partiers so easily head-faked? Not trying to slam New Yorkers (way too easy); asking a legitimate question.”
Excellent point. I wondered the same thing. If enough people were fooled then they get the government they deserve. Now they are stuck with a rep who will be a 100% 0bama/Pelosi vote. Or if some of them are such purists that they thought the Republican was not conservative enough then they have done the whole movement a great disservice.
So, yeah New Yorkers are pretty freaking stupid.
Right, they could say they cut taxes and reduce spending while raising taxes and increase spending and the media will turn a blind eye to their lie
That isn't new, it's what The Lizard Rahm and The Red Bitch have been doing since 2006.
Same old same-old. That, and demoralizing real Conservatives and trying to get them to stay home by pulling stunts like the Mark Foley poofter-outing.
Exactly. The Donald could be very much in demand in 2012.
And 0’b is going to gut medicare while RATS cheer from the sidelines.
Excuse me - a conservative loses in NY and we are supposed to believe this is a repudiation of conservatives? Am I missing something?
Did you expect dims to roll over and die... these are rat bastard evil doers... they will fight to the death... unlike most of the republican leadership and about 25% of FReepers.
The simple fact is that the GOP lost because the GOP lost.
If the GOP candidate had anything to offer conservatives, they would have voted for her regardless as to the independent candidate.
The GOP should carefully analyze this campaign and determine just what did the independent have(or say) that caused Republican voters to turn and vote for him. Then, they should remember the lesson and try to correct the problem that drove those voters from their party.
So far, I’ve never seen the GOP even stop to think that they were anything other than perfect in their admiration of themselves so they keep on shooting themselves in the foot every time and then wonder what went wrong.
For example: Foisting McCain upon us as their poster child in 2008, thinking we all just love “their boy” Romney, allowing any funds at all in the previous election of RINOs such as Olympia Snowe and others, along with many other NON-CONSERVATIVE actions that have driven voters away from their base.
Our country is in serious trouble on many fronts and it all stems from the liberal actions of BOTH parties in power. The time has come to “bite the bullet” and vote the man, not the party for we may lose the initial battle but through sacrifice, we will win the war. If we don’t sacrifice, the war is lost before we even start.
Let’s stop quibbling about what party to vote for and start at the grass roots level (local, county, state, and national) and make the final attempt to save our way of life and not desecrate the lives of so many soldiers and patriots who have fought to maintain our freedoms and heritage. The current “pant load” of politicians in office today could care less.
The Tea Party is a start and probably the only hope that we have left.
Apparently former Rep Lee got tens of thousands more votes last fall than the winner did this time. A big problem was Republicans not turning out. So now they are stuck with this left wing rep. There were news articles saying “life long Republicans” were upset over the Medicare cuts. OK so they should stop yelling about big government and deficits then. I thought the whole revolt of 2010 was about curtailing government. Ryan and company are actually trying to be bold and do something about it but now even rank and file Republicans are getting squishy, at least in NY apparently. So they have to decide what they really want.
I believe the GOP candidate in this case actually backed away from Ryan’s plan, so I’m not sure that was the source of her defeat. I think it was the usual third party stuff.
As for Ryan’s plan, it is good and was backed by all GOPers. But the problem is that they have let the Dems gain the media advantage and haven’t explained it very well.
Medicare as it is now sucks. What it pays the doctors is so low that many won’t even accept it, while at the same time, the patient ends up having to lay out large (and increasing) amounts of money to make up for the gap. To make it worse, the uncovered amounts are unpredictable. What other insurance program is so bad that you have to buy supplementary insurance to cover it?
Ryan’s program is an excellent solution; furthermore, it doesn’t even affect people currently on Medicare. Well, except by keeping the program somewhat solvent, which won’t happen if it goes on as it has.
The GOP has got to make these points.
Why aren’t the Republicans running ads reminding people that the Democrats have cut half trillion dollars from medicare followed by a clip of BO saying “sometimes you just have to take a pain pill”? We must have a bunch of Schwarzenagers and Ensigns who are afraid to make a move.
How about funding some fake far left candidates? Get people out there saying the Democrat party is not liberal enough. We need another alternative! Split their vote. Why not fight dirty, like they do? Being nice and obeying the rules gets us more defeats like this one yesterday.
You know how you sometimes ask a question, hoping the other person doesn’t provide the obvious answer just because hearing it is going to hurt too bad? I had also thought of the “purist” answer, and was hoping that I was wrong.
So 3 years of... high gas prices, record debt and deficit, Obamacare, 9% unemployment, tanking real estate is equal to Repubs offering a plan to save Medicare?
Only in the lib media world is this even now.
That's a good idea at one level -- it might work.
Problem is, it plays into the Cloward-Piven strategy, which was test-marketed in New York City in 1975, bankrupting the city (that famous NY newspaper headline: "FORD TO CITY: DROP DEAD" -- I still love it!).
But the whole Cloward-Piven idea was, to radicalize the Shiftless Mob and turn them toward Red leaders like Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama, by overloading and breaking down the more-modest liberal social programs (all of which back in the day were designed with the "thin cushion" idea front and center: many of them were explicitly marketed as inexpensive and temporary social lubricants, with de-activating and undermining the Red union men and Hollywood Communists a primary unstated objective of such programs).
Return Medicare to a "federal system" model by turning it to the States, and you might be putting the Communists back in business as rabble rousers. (Of course, the only way to put them out of business was demonstrated by Col. Suharto in Indonesia, when the Indonesian army arrested and executed 800,000 PKI cadre and threw their bodies in the sea.)
The elderly are grossly uninformed on what is going to take place with Medicare under the Democrats..It will go bankrupt and coverage will have to be grossly scaled back or care will be rationed by a government panel which will deny it to a large part of the elderly population. They will die. It is always the same story..Ignorance and trust in a media conglomerate which only care about themselves will continue to take us down..They very cleverly lie and dupe those who do not understand large public programs and they are helpless. So, the human race will do what it has always done..Learn the hard way..They will kick dirt in the eye of those who know how to keep us surviving and we will die physically, but the souls of our government and media masters are already spiritually dead and they will go to the proper place when they leave this world.
Obama to South Carolina. Drop dead. No jobs for you. We tell Boeing where they could build their plants and its not your state
I don’t think its the same here. We be advocating all states to run their own Medicare program, even red states. Any taxes increases will be decided by the state government. The program will be reduced by the state government
exactamundo. Once again, there is a huge contingent of uneducated voters out there. The cost of the 2008 election is a direct result. We have our work cut out for us.
People are stupid. Nyers are off the chart.
For an ideology that claims to be superior, you would wonder why they have to lie to get people to vote for them.
it is very discouraging to think that with the mess 0bama created and the way we are headed towards disaster that a Republican leaning district elects a liberal Democrat. Makes you wonder how stupid people are, and what hope do we have for the future.
There was more to this story. Corwin was the second choice for the Republican spot after the top dog for the spot was disqualified. Then the Tea Party line was just another liberal getting a few thousand signatures to have the line put on the ballot. (See the rent be too damn high party). The Democrats fully exploited both these the Republicans and the national tea party were late to respond.
Was the GOP candidate a conservative? Or another Scozzafava? Another Scott Brown? Jim Jeffords?
The GOP seems to be flailing away at trying to “Save the System”. The system should be dismantled not saved. As far as Medicare it covers the uninsurable. They could start with Medicare Tort Reform 1st. Then Fraud. Making it attractive for Docs to take Medicare. The Senile Citizens are not informed like we are and are easily terrified by the Rat terrorists. In my opinion the Ryan plan was a huge tactical error.
It ought to remind RiNO folks what happens when they insist on hogging the nomination process and shutting conservative people out of races in the name of "good government" ( = " I went to Harvard and you didn't ha ha ha").
Tea Party people aren't stupid enough to vote for a RiNO who urinates on them every chance he gets.
I'm not getting myself worked up about this particular election. Republicans use to have a slim chance in New York, But like California, those days are over. But that doesn't mean it's reflective of the country. Or that Obama is going to ride to victory in 2012. It just means that New York has become even more liberal.
“New Yorkers are stupid, lazy, greedy, oh & did I mention stupid?”
Yes, you did mention it twice in a 12 word sentence. What are you, stupid?
Most people I know (of that certain vintage) realize they are the lucky ones. They also know it cannot go on this way forever.
They understand that it took exactly TWO generations for Medicare to be bankrupt. And only two. At least it took SS a bunch longer.
Yeah, that was my take. The “Tea Party” candidate caused the Republican to lose.