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FBI Joy Ride Wrecks Ferrari, DOJ Refuses to Pay Damages
theNewspaper.com ^ | 05/26/2011 | n/a

Posted on 05/28/2011 10:56:22 AM PDT by Ken H

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To: Ken H
The agents thought they were Nicholas Cage in "The Rock"
21 posted on 05/28/2011 11:38:44 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Ken H

When Air Force One can be taken on a low altitude joyride around and over Manhattan with an F-14 fighter jet in mock hot pursuit, terrorizing the still-traumatized citizens of New York City without consequence, why does anyone expect the FBI to be held to account merely for totalling out a Ferrari?

Heck, you know they’re more worried about people finding out they can’t even drive like a girl than they are stiffing the private sector out of three quarters of a million dollars. Chump change, they print it out of thin air. Janitors get retirement worth more than that, begone you trifling rubes.

Plus, thanks to all the brave drug warriors cutting their own noses off to spite drug dealers’ faces, civil asset forfeiture gets real cute at times. They’re not responsible for the condition or maintenance of items seized, whether they were ultimately seized legally or not. Why not trash the car? Why not scare the bejeezus out of half of New York?

It’s a very ghetto attitude, very thug. And our government is rife with it. Enjoy it, you little revenue streams, for that’s all you are. If they like your stuff, they can find a reason to seize it and you have to try and prove a negative to get it back.

Whee! Much joy in .gov-ville.


22 posted on 05/28/2011 11:42:53 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Magic Fingers

This car is an exceedingly limited production car, and is basically a racecar with just the minimum required to make it street legal. This is not a Camry.


23 posted on 05/28/2011 11:43:13 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Ken H
Just a few seconds after we left the parking log, we went around a curve, and the rear of the car began sliding," Thompson wrote in an email to Managing Assistant US attorney E.J. Walbourn on the day of the incident. "The agent tried to regain control, but the car fishtailed and slid sideways on up onto the curb. The vehicle came to rest against a row of bushes and a small tree. Both myself and the agent exited of our own power."

And just moments before this incident the immortal words "Hold my beer. Watch this!" were muttered.

More to the point in what you have to read between the lines to see, here is what REALLY should have been typed/happened:
The dumba55 wouldn't let ME drive and he floored it thinking it was some cheap chevy 350. In the process of melting down the rear tires, the dang fool lost it and was about to kill us both. If he hadn't slammed it over the curb and run into the trees, we'd both be roadkill.

24 posted on 05/28/2011 11:43:44 AM PDT by craqed (identity theft should be like immortals in Highlander... There can be only one!)
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To: Ken H
Special Agent Frederick C. Kingston got behind the wheel of a 1995 Ferrari F50 with by Assistant US Attorney J. Hamilton Thompson.

Are these two still working for the FBI and DOJ?

25 posted on 05/28/2011 11:49:00 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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Yet another outrageous abuse of government power used against the people who ultimately pay the taxes that support these agencies. Obviously, two government employees took a car they had no right to take for a 'joy ride'. Exotic cars like a Ferrari (513 hp, 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, only 2200 pounds) are not easy to control and the average driver has no experience with such high-powered machinery. I imagine the bozo behind the wheel gunned it around a corner (incredibly stupid) and quickly lost it as the V-12 engine instantly accelerated beyond the tires ability to grip and the Ferrari went into a slide, crashing hard enough to bend the carbon-fiber frame.

Now, the employer of the moron who crashed the Ferrari is going to use legal loopholes to avoid compensating the insurance company that owned the Ferrari. We may not care about an insurance company losing big money on an exotic stolen car wrecked by a federal employee while supposedly in 'detention' by the government in a criminal case (they'll just increase the premium for everyone else to make up for the loss. However, we should care when we realize that if they can do this to a big insurance company with lots of attorneys working for them, they can surely do it to any average citizen who finds themselves being swindled by the government. 'Your tax dollars at work'.

26 posted on 05/28/2011 11:51:31 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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The agency insists sovereign immunity prohibits the suit, and no negligence claim can arise because federal law prohibits claims against the government for goods damaged while detained by law enforcement.

Am I missing something? Because the car was "detained," nobody is responsible for maintaining its condition? Not even the cops in whose custody the car was?

Okay, over here we have two boxes. See the giant one stuffed with papers? Those are the laws for thee. See that big empty one over there? Those are the laws for LEO.

This kind of crap is going to lead to an out-and-out war against cops. They're becoming more lawless every day, and the chances of them being gunned down when entering any home is increasing.

27 posted on 05/28/2011 11:53:55 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: CharacterCounts

If this was not bona fide official duty, they were misappropriating government property. The lifetime taxes of one or two normal taxpayers will be used to cover this.

They should be prosecuted as the criminals they are. They should both be on the hook for restitution in full to the US treasury (who morally should immediately pay for what their employees did. They would do it to any of us.

Next,, the people who refused to release the truth of what happened without a FOIA lawsuit should be in the next cell. Secrecy to coverup corruption is the mark of a totalitarian nation.


28 posted on 05/28/2011 11:57:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Publius6961; org.whodat

I predict that Motors Insurance will have to sue the police department and the officer driving to recover the funds.
Both the police department and the officer probably have professional liability insurance that will cover the claim by Motors Insurance.


29 posted on 05/28/2011 11:58:17 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Cyber Liberty

and what would happen if these two theives slidng out of control killed my daughter driving home from college instead of a tree? They must be prosecuted,,, if Holder isnt already after these two, it makes me wonder why,,,


30 posted on 05/28/2011 12:00:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: CharacterCounts

If they aren’t, probably the worse that would happen would be suspended with pay.


31 posted on 05/28/2011 12:05:38 PM PDT by onehipdad (Who is John Galt?)
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To: DesertRhino

There’s no indication from the article, but if I were to take a wild stab at it, these two must be “Holder’s People.”


32 posted on 05/28/2011 12:07:30 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: DesertRhino

If this was not bona fide official duty, they were misappropriating government property. The lifetime taxes of one or two normal taxpayers will be used to cover this.

They should be prosecuted as the criminals they are. They should both be on the hook for restitution in full to the US treasury (who morally should immediately pay for what their employees did. They would do it to any of us.

Next,, the people who refused to release the truth of what happened without a FOIA lawsuit should be in the next cell. Secrecy to coverup corruption is the mark of a totalitarian nation.


I couldn’t agree more. It isn’t government that is inherently corrupt or unethical, it’s the unethical individuals that often work there. Double standards are anti-American, where people are treated differently because of what they are, or what they do, or how much money they have.

The Constitution states only one command twice. The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be “deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.” The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, uses the same eleven words, called the Due Process Clause, to describe a legal obligation of all states. These words have as their central promise an assurance that all levels of American government must operate within the law (”legality”) and provide fair procedures. Most of this essay concerns that promise. We should briefly note, however, three other uses these words have had in American constitutional law.http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/due_process


33 posted on 05/28/2011 12:09:51 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Ken H

Sounds like auto theft to me. Why aren’t they in jail?


34 posted on 05/28/2011 12:12:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: dinodino

Definitely not sticking up for the FBI but, can’t you replace the frame?


35 posted on 05/28/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Ken H
So the article is quick to point out that the insurance company had given the FBI permission to hold on to the car (I assume for the purpose of its investigation) and in doing so, it seems the FBI is segueing that into sovereignty. Does this mean that the insurance company would have been able to tell the FBI, no? (yeah, right)
36 posted on 05/28/2011 12:24:58 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: DesertRhino

Lon Horiuchi was never held accountable for murdering Vicki Weaver.

What in the would makes anyone think these two will be held accountable for this?

Especially if it’s Eric Holder’s people.


37 posted on 05/28/2011 12:25:29 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe ( "Failure to speak out against evil is evil itself" - Dietrich Bonhoeffer)
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To: CodeToad
Sounds like auto theft to me. Why aren’t they in jail?

From the excerpt.

"The agency held the vehicle with permission from Motors.

"The title is a lie by the news media." I guess they hate the FBI too.

38 posted on 05/28/2011 12:25:48 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I am still looking for that box I am supposed to think out of.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Holding a vehicle with permission is one thing. Two agents outside of their duties taking a car for a joy ride is theft.


39 posted on 05/28/2011 12:27:22 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CharacterCounts

40 posted on 05/28/2011 12:33:40 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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