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To: donmeaker
Secondly, the Republican tariff policy clearly states that the adjustments were for the good of the whole country, not for any branch of industry.

You're arguing for Big Government and crony-capitalism. How interesting. The pertinent point from Lincoln's winning platform again:

...an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests...

Most tariffs were paid by the North.

Your source, please.

The northern states were growing faster, because no immigrant laborer wanted to move to the south where he would have to compete with people making nothing an hour.

I guess those high wages being paid in the North were why there were so many poor in the streets of the big cities like New York.

The constitutional compromise, that there could be centralized government powers so long as the south ran them, was being overcome by the failure of southern society, and the success of the industrial north. The southern plutocrats hadn’t anticipated that, and wouldn’t stand for it. They wanted to be the biggest turd in the bowl the whole way down, rather than permit another to succeed.

Exactly which Constitutional compromise would that have been? I don't recall any such Constitutional compromise which included centralized government powers. The success of the North was built at the expense of the South.

Shame on there apologists.

Shame on Big Government apologists. I'm a conservative (small c) and you are arguing in favor of Big Government.

75 posted on 05/30/2011 10:28:05 PM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: southernsunshine

1.

That African slavery in the Territories shall be recognized and protected by Congress and the Territorial Legislatures.
2.

That the right to slaveholders of transit and sojourn in any State of the Confederacy, with their slaves and other property, shall be recognized and respected.
3.

That the provision in regard to fugitive slaves shall extend to any slave lawfully carried from one State into another, and there escaping or taken away from his master.
4.

That no bill or ex post facto law (by Congress or any State,) and no law impairing or denying the right of property in negro slaves, shall be passed.
5.

That the African slave trade shall be prohibited by such laws of Congress as shall effectually prevent the same.

So that is your idea of small government, that the federal government will force states to protect slaveholders from their slaves, where ever they may chose to go, and forbid states. This would have the federal government provide a marshall to spread the female slaves legs so the slave owner could more easily rape her. That is what is meant by “right to slave property”.

Are you ashamed yet? Are you capable of shame?


76 posted on 05/30/2011 10:34:38 PM PDT by donmeaker ("To every simple question, there is a neat, simple answer, that is dead wrong." Mark Twain)
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To: southernsunshine

https://cenantua.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/it-was-all-about-taxes/

has a nice table of tariff paid at New York compared to ALL other ports. Over 60% of all tariffs were paid in NY for the last 5 years before the rebellion. Tariff was paid only on imports, not on exports. The south only had 25% of the population and the slaves didn’t consume much foreign luxury goods.


78 posted on 05/30/2011 10:47:34 PM PDT by donmeaker ("To every simple question, there is a neat, simple answer, that is dead wrong." Mark Twain)
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To: southernsunshine

So you think the southern militia system wasn’t shot through with crony capitalism? That troublesome people didn’t show up on the duty roster for slave patrol more often? That people with water rights that were desirable by a big land owner didn’t get an unfavorable judge, when the slave owner voted his vote plus all the slaves on his property?

Pull the other one, it has bells on it


79 posted on 05/30/2011 10:51:49 PM PDT by donmeaker ("To every simple question, there is a neat, simple answer, that is dead wrong." Mark Twain)
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