Freakonomics Claim Abortion Drops Crime Rates Refuted Again

Life News ^ | 6/2/11 | Steven Ertelt

[trisham]

That’s very possible, however the average troll is often quite arrogant and tends to inordinately underestimate the intelligence of its opponents.

[r9etb]

The fact is that a significant percentage of abortions are performed on whites women in their teens and early twenties from upper-middle class families.

And the fact is that black women have far more abortions, per capita, than women of any other race -- something like 36% of all abortions. (source)

Mr. Fox conveniently does not mention race in his discussion; and yet where crime and murders are concerned race matters -- it matters a lot. Blacks are far more likely to commit crimes, and far more likely to murder and be murdered, than people of other races.

To simply lump all races together, as Fox apparently has, acts to mask the racial component of the equation. FWIW, I think it's a cultural, rather than a genetic issue -- but the racial correlation is real and has to be included.

[wendy1946]

Why are you now ADVOCATING the same Darwinism you claim to oppose?

I am not ADVOCATING anything; I was trying to describe the real world for you and several others here because it doesn't sound like you understand it but my own tolerance limit for nastiness and ignorance has just been exceeded and I'm outta this discussion.

[Jim Robinson]

FR is a pro-life site. If you continue pushing abortion here, your account will be closed.

[wagglebee]

And the fact is that black women have far more abortions, per capita, than women of any other race -- something like 36% of all abortions.

I'm well aware of this. However, the fact is that two-thirds of abortions ARE NOT on blacks.

Mr. Fox conveniently does not mention race in his discussion; and yet where crime and murders are concerned race matters -- it matters a lot. Blacks are far more likely to commit crimes, and far more likely to murder and be murdered, than people of other races.

Do you also post over at Stormfront?

[wagglebee]

I am not ADVOCATING anything; I was trying to describe the real world for you and several others here because it doesn't sound like you understand it but my own tolerance limit for nastiness and ignorance has just been exceeded and I'm outta this discussion.

YES you are advocating the abortion of MILLIONS of innocent Americans because they will either vote a certain way or they may have certain health conditions.

[BykrBayb]

there’s an obvious potential problem with wanting to pass draconian laws.

If you can't advocate passing what you call "draconian laws," what are you advocating?

[BykrBayb]

Thank you.

[metmom]

That other five percent of cases involve questions of rape or genetic compromise and the like; all you could hope to accomplish by banning those abortions is the destruction of the Republican party and the conservative movement.

How ironic. The biggest proponent against evolution is in favor of abortion in cases of genetic compromise. It's still survival of the fittest, only in this case, man is being set up to determine what the fittest is.

Are you really willing to turn over to some government bureaucrat the authority to make that decision?

Do you consider abortion murder? Do you consider either murder or abortion morally wrong?

[P-Marlowe]

my own tolerance limit for nastiness and ignorance has just been exceeded

There is nothing nastier or more ignorant that attempting to justify the killing of children because they are "genetically compromised."

I suggest you re-evaluate your philosophical position. Perhaps it is because you are ignorant. We can deal with that. But if your position on the killing of "genetically compromised" babies is one you have actually thought through and not something you just posted on the fly, then I suggest you find a new forum to post your genetic supremacist ideas.

Just because you were born with an 85 IQ is no reason to promote the killing of babies doomed to have an IQ of 84 or less. You are not that special. All men are CREATED equal. IOW all men, even the genetically compromised, have as much value in their Creator's eyes as people like you who who think you were born genetically superior.

[trisham]

I hope that wendy reads all of these posts, even if she chooses not to reply.

[wendy1946]

Jim,

I am not pushing abortion and I do not plan any further involvement in discussions of the topic on FR based on this experience. What concerns me is that in 30 years of involvement in Virginia politics all I’ve ever seen the issue do is get good candidates for public office defeated by vermin and this leads me to believe that draconian laws are the wrong approach, and that what is actually needed to get rid of the 95% of abortions that you really want gone is economic initiatives. That is actually taking place in Germany and Russia at present. That’s what I tried to get across here but nobody could tell that from all the straw men standing around.

[wagglebee]

Excellent post P-M!

[wagglebee]

I am not pushing abortion and I do not plan any further involvement in discussions of the topic on FR based on this experience. What concerns me is that in 30 years of involvement in Virginia politics all I’ve ever seen the issue do is get good candidates for public office defeated by vermin and this leads me to believe that draconian laws are the wrong approach, and that what is actually needed to get rid of the 95% of abortions that you really want gone is economic initiatives.

One the one hand you claim to not be pushing abortion, then on the other you claim to be in favor of 5% of abortions and ALL genetic abortions (for Down Syndrome, etc.).

You sound EXACTLY like the leftists who say they are "personally opposed, but."

[Jim Robinson]

Draconian laws? Well, it’s obvious you are not one of us.

zot

[little jeremiah]

genetic compromise and the like;

Wow.

[wagglebee]

Thanks Jim!

[BykrBayb]

Thank you Jim. God bless you.

[trisham]

Thank you, Jim.

[trisham]

Thanks for the ping!