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Guess who it is who wants your wealth redistributed?
Gallup ^ | June 2, 2011 | Lydia Saad

Posted on 06/04/2011 2:18:48 AM PDT by applpie

"Americans break into two roughly evenly matched camps on the question of whether the government should enact heavy taxes on the rich to redistribute wealth in the U.S. Forty-seven percent believe the government should redistribute wealth in this way, while 49% disagree, similar to views Gallup found four years ago."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2011polls; democratplantation; democrats; liberalfascism; obama; obamavoters; redistribution; spreadthewealth; stealthewealth; taxtherich; wealth
Interesting numbers if you look at the charts--those making the big noise on this issue are non-white, democrats who make less than $30K a year. Why does no one raise the issue of greed among the poor? Greed for other people's money and possessions about which God says, "Thou shall not covet." (yep it made the big ten for a reason)
1 posted on 06/04/2011 2:18:54 AM PDT by applpie
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To: applpie

Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul’s vote.


2 posted on 06/04/2011 2:21:32 AM PDT by Salamander (FREE* LAZ! [*with purchase of FReeper of equal or greater value. Some restrictions may apply.])
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To: applpie
"those making the big noise on this issue are non-white, democrats who make less than $30K a year"

Who would have ever thought this?!

3 posted on 06/04/2011 2:27:01 AM PDT by jla
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To: applpie

Is that the same 47% who pay no income taxes?


4 posted on 06/04/2011 2:29:21 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: applpie

Which is why the tenet of social justice has been hijacked and bastardized by the left.

Rather than individuals doing what we’re instructed to do for the poor, they demand that the state do it instead under the guise of compassion and calling those who object the covetous, greedy ones.


5 posted on 06/04/2011 2:33:11 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: applpie
Earlier this morning I posted this reply in the context of claiming political parties for our frustrations over the way we are governed:

There is a school of thought which says that in a democracy-or a representative republic-the people get more or less what they want which is another way of saying they get more or less what they deserve. One could argue that politicians can quite understandably come to regard their constituents as mortal enemies, untrustworthy, unreliable, and two-faced. These politicians would say that they are not cynical, only realistic, knowing that the best way to lose reelection is to actually live up to campaign promises. They would say, "we are in the business of giving people what they want not what they say they want."

How long would a politician's shelf life be if he said that we must cut all Social Security payments because they are contrary to the Constitution? That is not such a leap. The fact is that when the left gets its courts to ratify departures from the Constitution a lot of people are very pleased when they go to the bank and cash the results of that decision.

If a politician says he is going to downsize government we all nod our heads in solemn agreement and then cut off the head of any politician in the next election who actually does it.

We are encouraged to displace blame for our mess by blaming the political parties. Make no mistake, there is a world of difference in my view between the Democrats and Republicans. I believe the Democrats are in thrall to an ideology and a complex financial network manipulated by a few led by George Soros which drives them to gross excesses much worse than Republican administrations would visit upon us. But my point is that we really ought to take a look in the mirror before we, as so many of us do, declare, "a pox on both your houses."

It is the nature of man to rationalize his own self interest as a universal good. One need not consider more beyond the tea party protesters of last summer demanding smaller government but motivated by a reduction in their Medicare.

Politics is a pit of vipers and we must be as wise as serpents but we cannot be wise if we delude ourselves.

As we as constituents are conditioned to blame political parties, the political parties themselves exploit this conditioning process and deflect the blame to the other party. So long as they can get 50% plus one vote they win that game. But we in our self-righteousness and ignorance play that game and then fulminate that we have been betrayed.


6 posted on 06/04/2011 2:37:35 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

i AM ANGRY, and I get angrier each day. Probably best for me to take a hiatus and not read or listen to anything for the next ninety days.

Every day, just about every fricking day there is something that comes out about this administration, or some politician on either side that makes me think, “Is there anyone out there, anyone who can reverse the course we’re in?”

Yesterday it was this fact that the US send aid to Russia and China and a whole host of countries that carry our debt. Why are we sending billions of dollars over seas?

What the H*ll is going on in this country? Romney says humans are responsible for global warming....

Is there anyone, anyone out there who speaks for us?


7 posted on 06/04/2011 3:09:47 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: applpie

90% of the millionaires got there by working 70-80 hours per week and managing their money for circa 20 years according to a NBC report a few years back. This person was modest in their lifestyle not having a flashy car nor having an expansive home.

Does anyone think this obviously intelligent and hardworking person is going to work the hours it takes to be successful if some parasite politician wants to steal his hard-earned money??? NOT!

The entrepreneurship will dry up, in fact, it already is among some I know who are not going to incur the risk just to have any risk-reward stolen.


8 posted on 06/04/2011 3:32:54 AM PDT by PORD (People Of Right & Duty!)
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To: applpie
One interesting thing to note is that the anti-"fat cat" numbers (should take more, too many rich in the nation) peak just before the '08 elections, then slowly slide back.

One explanation could be the economic difficulties lead to perceptions that everyone is being hurt, which softens the coveting.

Another explanation is that 0 and his programs are helping relieve the wealth divide, which would likely increase his support among the sub-$30k population.

Or a third, and maybe even more plausible, is that with Bush 43 out of office, the steady drumbeat of the media claiming Bush did everything he did to benefit corporate wealth has ended, and to see 0's catering to elite wealth, you have to push past stories golf outings, ice cream slurp-fests, high-proflie celbrity White House galas, and tense heroic decisions.

9 posted on 06/04/2011 3:32:59 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: applpie

Redistribute? I spend my whole life trying to earn wealth, who knew someone was distributing it? I must assume there was an initial distribution of wealth if now they want to re-distribute it


10 posted on 06/04/2011 3:44:21 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: nathanbedford
It is the nature of man to rationalize his own self interest as a universal good. One need not consider more beyond the tea party protesters of last summer demanding smaller government but motivated by a reduction in their Medicare.

Might not be the best analogy. They paid into Social Security and Medicare for their whole working lives via involuntary seizure of their wages. They deserve to reap the benefits of what they already paid for. But Uncle Sugar says "So sorry" and tells them to bend over. They are also doing another double bend over because they pay for both Social Security and Medicare, then a Medicare payment is deducted from SS benefits.

It's like those of us who joined the military and were told that if we gave our country 20 years, our country would take care of all our medical care at no cost to us for the rest of our lives. many of kept our part of the deal and are now paying for health insurance.

I think the Tea Party was not so motivated by cuts in Medicare as it was by the robbing Peter to pay Paul, then telling Peter and Paul that they are both so greedy that they need to make some sacrifices. It has gotten so out of control that "Freedom" is a fading concept instead of a mode of existence. If those of us in the Tea Party must sacrifice, so be it, but we want the tyrants out of the picture so We The People can rebuild this once great Nation.

11 posted on 06/04/2011 3:44:24 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: applpie

Bump


12 posted on 06/04/2011 3:47:30 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: trebb

Medicare and ss are ponzi schemes. Older pwople demanding that these scams continue as they are at the expense of younger people are greedy and selfish as they get as even indexed for inflation typically take out far more than they ever put in.


13 posted on 06/04/2011 3:47:51 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: Salamander
Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul’s vote.

When you rob Peter to pay Paul, it makes Peter sore.Almost everyone knows you can't work with a sore Peter.

14 posted on 06/04/2011 3:49:11 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: jla

And women.


15 posted on 06/04/2011 4:12:43 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Salamander

I fear we have reach the tipping point and there may not be a way back


16 posted on 06/04/2011 4:18:32 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: Salamander

Mike Moore, Hillery, Redford, B. Stresiand, Jane Fonda want theirs cut first Barney.


17 posted on 06/04/2011 4:19:12 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: mkmensinger

“Is that the same 47% who pay no income taxes?”

Yes, plus a few more. The number is now 51%. We’ve gone over the tipping point. Bad news for sure...


18 posted on 06/04/2011 4:30:46 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: PORD
Does anyone think this obviously intelligent and hardworking person is going to work the hours it takes to be successful if some parasite politician wants to steal his hard-earned money??? NOT!

The entrepreneurship will dry up, in fact, it already is among some I know who are not going to incur the risk just to have any risk-reward stolen.

While I admire your sentiment I think you're full of BS. If a productive person has a chance to make some money rather than be poor and live like a bum they will go for the money. The ones living like parasites were parasites to begin with and the ones you know who won't incur the risk have already made enough to stay comfortable.

19 posted on 06/04/2011 4:41:34 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: BubbaJunebug

I fear you’re right.

It really grates me to see my “retired” hubby breaking his back working in the machine shop every day for 16 hours just to keep us going when the welfare queens leave WalMart with trains of carts full of gourmet groceries we sure can’t afford.

Then they pile it all into the back of their Lexus SUVs and drive a half mile to the Section 8 [former] McMansions _right behind WalMart_ when they could just as easily *walk* home.

*We* put what we have in a 12 year old Yukon that’s gotta last us until it falls apart.

So much for the ‘work ethic’.

What was the point of hubby working for 50 years and paying into the system?

They’re getting more out of his hard work than he is.


20 posted on 06/04/2011 4:44:07 AM PDT by Salamander (FREE* LAZ! [*with purchase of FReeper of equal or greater value. Some restrictions may apply.])
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To: nikos1121
I AM ANGRY, and I get angrier each day. Probably best for me to take a hiatus and not read or listen to anything for the next ninety days.

It might be best for you personally, in the short term, but it would do nothing for the nation, and you know what they say about "when good men do nothing."

Is there anyone, anyone out there who speaks for us?

Maybe they're doing just what you propose.

Why not take the anger to a protest, or write some letters to your legislators rather than to the cyber choir. Beyond the internet, that anger can actually lead to action and good results.

People ought to be more involved, not less.

If injustice makes you angry, it should. Don't turn away. When Lady Liberty is running like Kitty Genovese, shutting the windows doesn't help her.

21 posted on 06/04/2011 4:44:22 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Please sir...permission to protest?)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Medicare and ss are ponzi schemes. Older pwople demanding that these scams continue as they are at the expense of younger people are greedy and selfish as they get as even indexed for inflation typically take out far more than they ever put in.

While they may need to be phased out, these older/greedy/selfish folks had no choice but to pay for their entire lives, with the expectation that they would get what was promised. Money that could have been saved/invested was taken from their pay and was figured into their retirement years. It's a crap-shoot about whether they take more out than they put in, but if they had the opportunity to invest it their whole lives, they could be wealthy and independent, or be broke - either way they would have had a choice. To deny those of a certain age of their rightful due is more insanely selfish than those you rant about.

If you make lay away payments for a big screen TV at Wal-Mart, then are told to suck it up because the rules have changed, I'm sure you would also turn into a greedy selfish bastard and insist on getting what you paid for.

22 posted on 06/04/2011 4:44:52 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Waco

The headlining acts for the “Liberal White Guilt Tour”.

It’s *easy* to promote ‘distribution of wealth’ when you’re filthy rich.


23 posted on 06/04/2011 4:46:01 AM PDT by Salamander (FREE* LAZ! [*with purchase of FReeper of equal or greater value. Some restrictions may apply.])
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
While I admire your sentiment I think you're full of BS. If a productive person has a chance to make some money rather than be poor and live like a bum they will go for the money.

Sure. I'd never let my family go hungry to make a political point. But if we're doing fine financially, I may not go that extra step to work 10 more hours if I can't get 10 hours worth of pay from it. If I'm only going to realize 5 hours worth of pay for 10 hours work, it becomes MUCH less appealing.

24 posted on 06/04/2011 4:49:50 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: trebb

That is why I hope we collapse at this point. We deserve it and earned it with the type of thinking that we should just continue these ponzi schemes at the expense of young and working people.


25 posted on 06/04/2011 4:50:39 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: trebb

Very true, the seniors today ARE entitled to what they were promised by the banditos of the ruling class.
The scheme needs to be stopped. Stopped from creating fresh victims. Starting now, we should assure those who’ve been vampirized, “You’ll get returns commensurate with what you were forced to pay,” while taking the pledge to rob and raid no more.
You are probably thinking, “That’ll never happen.” Two ways to make it happen: widespread tax rebellion (”You’re cut off!”) and protest demonstrations (”And we mean it!”)
Which is to say, if nothing is done, it isn’t the legislators we should blame. It’s us. It isn’t their spinelessness. It’s ours.


26 posted on 06/04/2011 4:56:29 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Please sir...permission to protest?)
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To: nikos1121
Hiding from satan will not help you... get in his face. Do not disengage... ENGAGE!

LLS

27 posted on 06/04/2011 5:14:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If you lie hard enough and sell your soul... you can scam your way to the top" barack obama)
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To: BubbaJunebug
"I fear we have reach the tipping point and there may not be a way back "

I've been convinced of that for a couple of years.

Prepare now.

28 posted on 06/04/2011 5:30:16 AM PDT by blam
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To: Salamander

“Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul’s vote.”

Exactly. But it is also true that eventually ‘you reap what you sow’.


29 posted on 06/04/2011 5:32:15 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

I can only hope.


30 posted on 06/04/2011 5:33:19 AM PDT by Salamander (FREE* LAZ! [*with purchase of FReeper of equal or greater value. Some restrictions may apply.])
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To: trebb

The biggest problem is the seniors fully trusted the govt and trusted Liberal dem’cats who even today continue to stand by these proven ponzi schemes.

Liberals Lie, and everything Liberals touch and really want have a 100% failure rate...without exception.

Walmart layaway-—not so much.


31 posted on 06/04/2011 5:37:00 AM PDT by sbark
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To: nathanbedford

If a politician says he is going to downsize government we all nod our heads in solemn agreement and then cut off the head of any politician in the next election who actually does it.


Yup, that is very true. Once you start getting into specifics, you will always pi$$ some people off. And then those w/o spines feel sypathetic for the ones who are POed. And the other side will demogague, playing for votes. Unfortunately, a lot of people are emotionally driven; things like facts, context, and logic don’t matter.

We have gotten to the point in this country where a majority of politicians don’t want to the general public to feel ANY pain whatsoever. No doubt this is for fear they will lose their jobs. But the end result is that we are destroying our future by trying to keep ourselves content in the short term.


32 posted on 06/04/2011 5:38:33 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: trebb

Well said, trebb! (refer to post #13)

Younger people being envious or angry that seniors want and expect to collect their promised Social Security after a lifetime of forced contributions to the fund, are as guilty as the liberal’s wealth envy.

The government stole those funds over the years and used them for vote buying schemes. Rather than directing anger at the seniors, it would be better to direct anger at the government and expect it to pay back what they stole. A good start at paying back the looted fund would be to stop sending massive amounts of “aid” money to counties who hate us anyway.


33 posted on 06/04/2011 6:00:59 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: trebb

OOps... I meant trebb’s post #11 that answered post #13


34 posted on 06/04/2011 6:03:33 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: applpie
those making the big noise on this issue are non-white, democrats who make less than $30K a year. Why does no one raise the issue of greed among the poor?
Nay, nay. It's not greed. It's that they just want 'fairness'.

After all, with Section Eight Housing Vouchers, Free medical care via Medicaid, Free Food 'Stamps', three Free Meals a day in school, and 'general assistance' for each on her Eight children -- after getting them all the mandatory $150 sneakers, that 55" Plasma TV with Surround Sound, and the iPads, iPods, and 17" Screen Laptops for the older kids. When all is said and done, Momma, can barely keep up the payments on her Caddy Escalade. Heck, she even had to 'save' some of her 'own money' to buy those custom 24" chrome wheels with spinners. HER OWN MONEY, dang it. Where's the justice and fairness in that?

So at the current rate how do you expect her to ever get that Bentley she so richly 'deserves'. It just ain't 'fair', darn it.


35 posted on 06/04/2011 6:19:04 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: mkmensinger

You bet ya.


36 posted on 06/04/2011 6:22:51 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: applpie

We call the Leftist “poor”, the “gimme girls.”

They have no idea that when the government takes money from “the rich” (anyone who earns more than the poor) they do not re-distribute that money to the poor.

They spend it to enhance their political power among the “rich” leftist pet projects and more bureaucrats. The poor see very little, if any, of the stolen loot.

This is what Americans finally realized in the 80’s. The rich is anyone with money to be stolen, and the poor are left wing activists. Normal people never see the loot but are looted after every election.


37 posted on 06/04/2011 6:55:43 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: nikos1121

Hey Nikos,

I’m with you 100% on this one.
I’m getting angrier every day as well.
THROW THEM ALL OUT!


38 posted on 06/04/2011 7:04:41 AM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (Buckel up - the Bamster's rollercoaster is about to come off the tracks!)
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To: PORD

“90% of the millionaires got there by working 70-80 hours per week and managing their money for circa 20 years according to a NBC report a few years back. This person was modest in their lifestyle not having a flashy car nor having an expansive home.”

You are absolutely right. In Jan 2009 the bottom fell out of my wife’s business and she let go her 5 employees. She says she will never be able to hire another due to the new health care and unemployment benefits. So now she does the work of 6.

I used to work a couple of jobs plus a lot of outside consulting. No more, just enough to stay under the big “progressive” tax hikes. The problem is what is happening to our retirement. It is being crushed by the fluctuations in the market and the fear of future taxes.

So instead of retiring at 59, now it looks like 66, largely because of medical concerns and fear of being taxed to death, literally. People in their early fear suffer from free floating anxiety and fear of the future. Thanks, Onumbnuts, Pelosi and Reid.


39 posted on 06/04/2011 7:26:35 AM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: BubbaJunebug

Break the nation in to smaller parts. Texas as a new independent nation, and the US South as another. Cut the rest loose and watch them rot.


40 posted on 06/04/2011 7:29:00 AM PDT by comps4spice (Liberalism is a threat to life and liberty in the USA.)
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To: The FIGHTIN Illini
THROW THEM ALL OUT!

With whom do we replace them?

And how do we stop the replacements from becoming the same power mongers?

Term limits? Smashing the seniority system? Making recalls as simple as elections?

41 posted on 06/04/2011 7:34:01 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: applpie

Yet, their numbers are growing and ours are not.


42 posted on 06/04/2011 7:37:52 AM PDT by 38special (troubling, isn't it?)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

You miss my point, they will not work the extra to have that money given to others to who won’t work but spends their time fiddling around.

It is happening. This website has gave examples of that in various post.


43 posted on 06/04/2011 7:42:18 AM PDT by PORD (People Of Right & Duty!)
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To: mkmensinger
Is that the same 47% who pay no income taxes?

For the most part, I'm sure that it is. The 'rats would love to make that number 51%, thus ensuring that the freeloaders hold a permanent majority over the enslaved. It is indeed a lot like 1860, only this time, the taxpayer is the new "N" word.

44 posted on 06/04/2011 8:18:26 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: applpie
We're in a death spiral. These people will never understand that having a lot of rich people around is what enables this county's “poor” to be overweight, have flat screen TV’s, Blackberries with data plans and Bluetooth headsets. Truly poor people aren't overweight.
45 posted on 06/04/2011 9:22:19 AM PDT by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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To: All
Just "here for a better life." (sob)

2009---TEXAS DREAM ACT DEMONSTRATION
Oops--"forgot" to tell us they are conspiring to destroy the USA from within.

46 posted on 06/04/2011 12:05:46 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Quiller; PORD; Apple Pie
Obama’s approval ratings appear to have steadily risen the past two months (course they only polled Dems). Getting rid of putrid Rahm, stashing the execrable Gibbs and Axelrod out of sight (behind the scenes in the reelection effort) was a good thing for Ohaha. And Pelosi out of the way, no longer praising Ohaha, and his healthcare plan, is also working well.

SEE THE SYNCHRONIZED CANDIDATE Stay tuned..... as 2012 looms, Ohaha's looking less human by the minute---more like a vote-crazed, wild-eyed robot, mouthing sound bites. From hereonin everything he says will sound like a focus group sound-bite......with pre-programmed voice inflections, and synchronized hand and head gestures.

===========================================

REFERENCE----DNC GLEEFUL There was happy talk at a recent DNC conclave of his supporters about why Ohaha "deserves" to be reelected, and, why it is important for the DNC to make that happen.

Let me count the ways----good reasons to vote for Ohaha. Billions in foreign aid to countries holding US Treasuries as China Divests 97% of Its Holdings in U.S. Treasury Bills which were funding Obama's economic recovery PLUS at his last campaign stop, Obama touted his auto bailouts (a potential $14B loss to taxpayers) as a great economic success.

That's so true. Obama is a financial genius. Heck, what's not to like? High unemployment, High food prices, High gas prices, High utility costs, Record home foreclosures, Bank closings, Investment losses, Stock market losses, A world-class culture in decline, overrun with terrorists and illegals, Trillions of US dollars guzzled by Mideast hellholes.... China dumping Treasuries, $14 Billion loss on auto bailouts AND billions in foreign aid as Americans struggle to survive. And besides, Obama needs another four years so Michelle can gallivant around the globe in designer fashions, stay at luxe hotels, and eat lobster (sniffle).

47 posted on 06/04/2011 12:15:15 PM PDT by Liz
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To: GlockThe Vote

Over my lifetime of work (1965-2011) I’ve paid in about $250,000 to the SS “Fund”, including my employers contribution. I can receive some $23,300 a year in benefits.
Also during the last 25 years, I’ve saved 8% of my salary in a retirement plan having a 50% matching contribution by my employer (adding to 12%, about the same as SS contributions). The retirement plan grew to some $800,000 over the years, with very conservative investments. I can easily withdraw 4-5% yearly and preserve the capital, so $32,000 to $40,000 a year, and then, eventually, leave a nice legacy to heirs.


48 posted on 06/05/2011 6:31:34 PM PDT by GregoryFul (Obama - Jim Jones redux)
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