You want to discuss civilly, fine, even disagree or argue without resorting to slurs, that's good.
Augustine disagreed with those philosophies especially being against double-predestination
don't go all innocent on me -- what was the uncalled for " it must be so for the god(s) that Ro.. worships"?
Because that is the non-Roman Catholics perception of your faith system. From a non-Rome perspective, veneration of Mary and labeling her as mediatrix and able to entertain the world's prayers and petitions is arguably making her Deity. I know that Rome doesn't see it that way, but obviously, there are many things that Rome sees one way and the world sees as another. Your faith also requires you to abide unquestioningly to the decrees and teachings of the various Popes and their Councils, no matter how contradictory their doctrines and Traditions are over time. To your every day rank and file Catholic, this is a swell arrangement, so great that it was easy to overlook the many campaigns of torture and slaughter that Rome committed against "heretics" and those who simply disagreed. And the Muslims are just as resolute in their faith that shares those same attributes too.
That is why I don't care for the debates between faiths. We both see our systems as infallible and immutable. OK, check, that - y'all don't see yours as immutable, just infallible (provided you can handle the logical/rational conflict in that belief as it coexists with the dynamism and evolution of Holy Tradition)
Augustine disagreed with those philosophies especially being against double-predestination
Perhaps, but there are many Protestants that can't stomach that teaching either - even when it makes for a glaring hole in their soteriology; and as you know every religion on the Planet outside orthodox Christianity rejects Divine Sovereign Election.
How about them Mavericks?