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Navy enters twilight era of its once famous frigates
Sign On San Diego ^ | June 8, 2011 | Gary Robbins

Posted on 06/09/2011 10:08:29 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Navy enters twilight era of its once famous frigates

By Gary Robbins

Originally published 1:22 p.m., June 8, 2011

When it first took to the seas in the late 18th century, the U.S. Navy sailed frigates that became famous for their speed and maneuverability, and for the cunning of their commanders.

More than two centuries later, the commanders are just as cunning. But the modern Navy is steadily phasing out the last of its frigates to make room for littoral combat ships, a new type of vessel designed to be faster and more versatile than the ships it will replace.

It’s an historic change. Frigates have been used for everything from fighting the British during the War of 1812 to clearing mines in harbors during the Vietnam War to stalking Soviet submarines during the Cold War.

There are only 28 Perry-class frigates left in the fleet, including six in San Diego. The Navy decided not to modernize the ships, and even removed their missile launchers, a decision that helped make way for the LCS. There will be no frigates left in the Navy by 2017.

“They’re just getting rid of them,” said Eric Wertheim, author of the Naval Institute’s Guide to Combat Fleets of the World. “The ships were neutered when they took off the missiles. The Navy has simply moved on.”

Here are some remembrances from people who served on frigates.

“I am sad to see the frigates get decommissioned but am also proud of what that entire class of ships has accomplished during their service.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: frigate; navy; ohp; usn

The frigate McClusky at Naval Base San Diego. — Peggy Peattie

1 posted on 06/09/2011 10:08:35 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Wow.


2 posted on 06/09/2011 10:20:11 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The (US) sailing frigates were commerce raiders. Heavy, fast & well-armed. A tough nut for other Navy’s with their lighter frigates. Too fast to catch with a Ship of the Line.

These modern gas-turbine powered frigates were built primarily as convoy escorts and intended as ASW platforms with some limited anti-air. Without any convoys to escort they were used as screening vessels for battle groups or amphibious ready groups. In that role they were analogous to the smaller (sail) Sloops of War.


3 posted on 06/09/2011 10:21:43 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The “Knox” and “OHP” Class of US NAvy “Frigates” were First Class MacNamera CLUSTERF*CKS of ship. The last REAL class of “Frigates” in the US Navy were the DEs.


4 posted on 06/09/2011 10:25:40 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
The OHP class boats were basically missile sponges, anyway. The Navy still has the newer Burke class frigates that have a lot more firepower.

This article only tells one portion of the story.

I am not a big littoral warfare boat supporter, but it is way past time for the Perry class frigates to go.

5 posted on 06/09/2011 10:32:18 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Wow.

Mitt Romney is a big fan of “twilight”, too...

He’s such a putz.


6 posted on 06/09/2011 10:37:37 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Late ‘60’s, DLG-34 was my home for nearly four years:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tanneberger/619958968/in/photostream


7 posted on 06/09/2011 10:50:00 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Knox class was a cheap platform and did its ASW mission well. I was on one for 4 years and no barnacles grew on her. As the cheapest to operate in the fleet they were always underway.


8 posted on 06/09/2011 10:52:59 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

As a sailor, I am sad to see these little tin cans go as people first laugh at the Perry’s(Some people even called them floating office parks with a pop gun), but despite it all they proofed themselves to be tough and could take a punch and keep on floating. As a carrier rider, I always respected the skill of their crews, who in the worst case would be asked to die to keep the carrier afloat. The LCS is going to have some big(little)shoes fill!


9 posted on 06/09/2011 11:45:10 AM PDT by Trueblackman (The American People are looking beyond Obama.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
This is a really, really dumb move.

We need 100 Frigates in the 4,000 ton class armed to the teeth. Granted a new class is appropriate...keeping the crew to less than 100 men.

However, we need exactly ZERO LCS platforms.

10 posted on 06/09/2011 11:59:48 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: USNBandit
"The Navy still has the newer Burke class frigates that have a lot more firepower. "

Those are DDGs in the 9,000+ ton class with 300 man crews. Sure, it would be nice to have a couple of hundred of those...but it's likely we'll never see more than 50, if that many.

We need at least 100 of the 3-4,000 ton class "Frigates" of a new design that will keep the crew below 100 and can launch torpedoes, AA and AS missiles (Harpoon and SM2 and 3). They need good radars...but don't need Aegis. They should be able to operate independently or in conjunction with the DDGs.

Our big issue today is numbers, not platform capability.

11 posted on 06/09/2011 12:05:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Oops. You are right. The Burkes are DDGs and my mistake is forever on display on FR. Damn it.

The decision to cease support for SM-1 reminds me of the NAVAIR decision to pull Phoenix off the Tomcats the last tow years it was around. It saved less money than NAVAIR spent at the same time changing their logo.

12 posted on 06/09/2011 12:24:15 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Mariner
Non-combat ships:

Current Perry: OPV (Offshore patrol vessel)

LCS: APD (High-speed Transport)

Combat Ships:

<2000 tns: Corvette

2-4: Light Frigate

4-6: Frigate

6-8: Destroyer

8,000+ Cruiser

It's clearer when you consider the role they can do, rather than what the particulay Navy dept calls them

13 posted on 06/09/2011 4:45:40 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Oztrich Boy
"8,000+ Cruiser "

According to that definition every Burke Class is a cruiser as is most modern US Destroyers (DDG).

And, in capability, range and endurance I suppose they do qualify.

But they are no substitute for 100 true Frigates.

14 posted on 06/09/2011 5:41:24 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I’ve seen the “Burke’s” refered to as cruisers because of their capabilities, particularly anti-air.


15 posted on 06/10/2011 4:15:04 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
“The ships were neutered when they took off the missiles."

Yep.

-Plankowner, FFG-37.

16 posted on 06/19/2011 1:05:10 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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