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The End of the Clinton Era
Townhall.com ^ | June 10, 2011 | Mona Charen

Posted on 06/10/2011 4:15:59 AM PDT by Kaslin

Rep. Anthony Weiner has achieved something by behaving so spectacularly shamefully. Unless I miss my guess, he has revived the concept of sexual morality. Even for a jaded nation, this is one sex scandal too far. We've had it. Our capacity to remain non-judgmental on sexual matters -- as we've been tirelessly instructed to do for 40 years -- seems to have reached its end point.

The national reaction to Weiner's conduct, in contrast to previous sex scandals (and there have been too many to count in the past two decades), has been not amusement (though jokes made the rounds) but disgust. When even the ultra-liberal New York Times reaches for terms like "profoundly squalid," it's safe to say we've arrived at a new cultural moment: "Judgmentalism" is back.

Admittedly, we are groping our way toward minimal dignity unsteadily. A Washington Post columnist, among others, dusted off the cliche that it's "not the crime, it's the cover-up." Former DNC Chairman and Senate candidate Tim Kaine sounded a similar theme in calling for Weiner's resignation: "Lying publicly about something like this is unforgivable, and he should resign."

Lying is immoral. Lying in the flagrant and utterly discoverable fashion that Weiner did is also idiotic. But as this disgrace demonstrates so graphically, it's not always just the cover-up. Would things would be materially different if Weiner had freely confessed to sending crotch shots of himself to assorted young women on Twitter? No. So let's please retire the Watergate platitude. It's not just the cover-up; it's the behavior.

Because we are so out of practice at condemning even utterly shameful conduct, we look for security in law. "Remember," a constituent cautioned, "he has broken no laws. He has not used campaign funds..." Ah, well, that's all right then. Weiner himself, explaining his decision not to resign, said, "I don't believe that I (did) anything that violates any law or any rule."

Is legality the only relevant standard? The question is not whether Weiner deserves to go to jail, but whether he merits the honor of holding elective office. And actually, Weiner is mistaken on the matter of rules. According to the rules of the House of Representatives, members are required to conduct themselves at all times in "a manner that shall reflect creditably on the House." Anyone think this is a close call?

As we claw our way back toward some minimal standards of dignity, we must grapple with the legacy of President Bill Clinton. It's exquisitely ironic that -- of all people -- Weiner apologized to the reportedly angry former president. It seems Mr. Clinton performed the wedding ceremony 11 months ago for Weiner and his wife, a longtime aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. In this telling, Bill Clinton is playing the role of Ward Cleaver? Mind-boggling.

The curdled condition of our culture is not entirely attributable to Bill Clinton, but he certainly merits dishonorable mention. His refusal to acknowledge shame cemented an age of shamelessness. Mr. Clinton fought ferociously -- and dragged the country through a tawdry impeachment spectacle -- on the grounds that sexual behavior was a mere trifle. His defenders, remember, hotly denied that mere sex could be relevant to a president's (or anyone's) public role.

"It's just sex," they protested. It was a private matter. Why are you so interested? What's wrong with you?

More, they argued that lying about sex was perfectly normal and even admirable. He was trying to spare his family. Everyone lies about sex. Those who were trying to drive a president from office for dallying with a 21-year-old intern and lying about it were the ones who needed reformation.

Obviously, the stakes are very different for a sitting president than for an N.Y. congressman. But it does seem that the mood is, at long last, changing.

"I can't (defend him)," pronounced Senator Harry Reid, D-Nev. Rep. Allyson Schwartz, D-Pa., who heads the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (and clearly has political motives, but that's fine), offered a complete refutation of the Democratic Party's position during the Clinton impeachment. Urging Weiner to put us out of our misery, she said, "As Americans we have the right to expect better behavior from members of Congress, leaders of our country. I don't think we should accept it."

When it was Larry Craig, Eric Massa, Mark Sanford, or Eliot Spitzer, we had our giggles. But with Weiner, the smarminess seems to have finally provoked a gag.

Not even Jon Stewart is laughing. "I hope it's not true," he said in all seriousness last week.

Why? It's only sex, right?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: creeps; liars; perverts; predators; weinergate; weirdos

1 posted on 06/10/2011 4:15:59 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
All this chatter from both sides of the isle regarding this guy and his ‘’junk’’. I'm wondering if a female representative had been ‘’exposed’’ would she be under the same scrutiny as Weiner or would it be handled in a more discrete manner
2 posted on 06/10/2011 4:21:39 AM PDT by shadeaud (" If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: Kaslin

Bill Clinton, the President of the United States was the defendant in a sexual harrassment case. Paula Jones an American ctizen was the plaintiff.

It was proven that Clinton committed the felony crimes of Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, Abuse of Power and Witness Tampering.

Even out of the original 15 Articles of Impeachment that was not one about sex.

Bill Clinton was and is a felon.


3 posted on 06/10/2011 4:26:06 AM PDT by reaganator
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To: Kaslin

Unlike Clinton, Weiner can’t protect abortion all by himself, so he is expendable.


4 posted on 06/10/2011 4:28:54 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Kaslin

Clinton, Spitzer, and Weiner. A rapist, a prostitute’s John, and a scumbag of grand proportions. The standard bearers for modern liberalism.


5 posted on 06/10/2011 4:35:53 AM PDT by grayhog
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To: grayhog

“Clinton, Spitzer and Weiner. A rapist, a prostitute’s John, and a scu&bag of grand proportions. The standard bearers for modern liberalism.”

The scariest part of the whole thing is that a larger and larger proportion of the electorate love them.

IMHO


6 posted on 06/10/2011 4:46:24 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Kaslin
YEah, but NBC is preaching on how we pious Americans need to get over our discomfort with sexual indiscretions.

We need to get more "European", don't you know!

7 posted on 06/10/2011 4:55:43 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: All

Weiner, according to the left, is only guilty of lying to cover up what he did. He says he lied because he felt ashamed. But if they truly believe there was nothing wrong with what he did, why the shame and coverup ?

According to Weiner, Libs, & Co., if he immediately tweeted “oops, my nasty picture went public” and laughed it off, and the next day when questioned laughingly admitted that he did it, and then when more evidence of showing several years of this type of activity with numerous women became public, just laugh it off and admit that he did it... if he reacted that way he would still be fine. No Congressional investigation, no press hounding him, no calls to resign. Because he would just say mea culpa, you got me, this is something that I do. Then all he would have to deal with would be his wife.

If libs truly felt the lying was the only problem, then the above scenario is what we should have seen over the past few days. Since there is no problem with “a little lust” in the eyes of libs.

Right ? Am I missing something ? Why the shame ?


8 posted on 06/10/2011 5:01:37 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Conservative Christian Capitalists - I encourage you to visit my Profile)
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To: Redleg Duke
We need to get more "European", don't you know!

After the DSK affair, even the French are starting to question their attitudes towards enabling their leaders.

9 posted on 06/10/2011 5:05:36 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Redleg Duke

Alas for NBC, we cannot. For this one simple reason:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

As John Adams noted, our entire system of government depends upon us and our leaders being “moral and religious”, and in the context of the time, that means Christian. That is what makes incidents like the Clinton matter and even this one more than mere disgusting episodes- they actually endanger the Republic. Weiner’s conduct reflects upon the dignity of the office he holds- that of a Representative in the US Congress. Bill Clinton dragged the Presidency itself into the mud. In both cases they stained the institutions by their conduct. Our elected officials should reflect what is best in us, the people, and Weiner should be bounced out of Congress by the Congress itself, and Clinton should have been removed from office. As for Europeans being an example of anything, why would we want to emulate nations that produced such figures as Louis XIV, Napoleon, Hitler, or Stalin? A long study of European history is replete with examples of how NOT to govern. Let NBC take its business to the Old World, if they think it is so great.


10 posted on 06/10/2011 5:32:37 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: reaganator
Bill Clinton was and is a felon.

And still they rallied on the White House lawn for him -- led by MY congress-slug, Sheila Jackson Lee.

Four legs good, two legs bad. He's a Dummy-Rat.

11 posted on 06/10/2011 6:21:43 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Right ? Am I missing something ? Why the shame ?

Because they know better. The Democrats are displaying mens rea, they knew they were wrong during the Clinton scandal(s) and clung to power anyway, sustaining a perjurer, rapist, and long-term, structural traitor and Manchurian candidate against the purgative capacities of the People and Congress for the sake of keeping the patronage and power of the White House in their factious, perverse, and deeply-undeserving hands.

12 posted on 06/10/2011 6:28:09 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Odd how things work out. If the House was near a 50/50 split, they’d probably be rushing to defend Weiner as they did Bill Clinton. And Gabby Giffords, not being able to vote on bills, would be more disposable.


13 posted on 06/10/2011 6:37:16 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Kaslin

If there are congressmen or their aides who read this forum I’d like you to read this post carefully.

Weiner has disgraced the House of Representatives in a way that is very, very damaging. His actions are leading many in the populace to question whether your House of Representatives is a serious government institution or just another “bad-girl delivery system”.

Eject Weiner. He has already damaged you. And this is not a good time to be damaged.


14 posted on 06/10/2011 7:03:55 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Kaslin

What does the head of the DNC have to say? She is usually all over the press giving us her opinion on the evil Republicans. Debbie... where are you?


15 posted on 06/10/2011 7:12:20 AM PDT by thirst4truth (The left elected a mouth that is unattached to an eye, brain or muscle.)
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To: thirst4truth
Check this out

American Crossroads "Debbie Downer"

16 posted on 06/10/2011 7:16:29 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: ripley
The scariest part of the whole thing is that a larger and larger proportion of the electorate love them.

The People themselves are corrupt, and we saw Clinton and his cronies working feverishly -- and successfully -- during the Clinton scandal(s), to deepen the corruption and lower the bar, before it could be revealed to the People that The Rapist was a perjurer, too.

Remember? Clinton's hey-boy Dickie Morris polled people who told him that, if it could be shown that Clinton had perjured himself in the Paula Jones case, they would stop supporting him and favor his removal from office instead.

That was the genesis of the Clinton-Morris "it's only sex" defense and their appended sub-meme, "all men lie about sex [= "they all do it", \ lying = normal and okay]".

17 posted on 06/10/2011 8:22:38 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Kaslin
So, for those of us on dialup whose connections suddenly go away when we hit your YouTube link (at least I didn't lose my browser window and/or session), what's the short form of the Debbie Does DemonRat vid?
18 posted on 06/10/2011 8:30:30 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I think the difference with the Weiner scandal is that it has pictures. It is one thing to bandy about words like: “rape”, “sexual harassment”, “infidelity”, etc., it is entirely different to look at actual pictures of a naked man. Also, it doesn’t help that the Edwards trial is going on at the same time, and there is a sex tape coming that will be viewed by all on the internet. A picture is truly worth a thousand words.


19 posted on 06/10/2011 8:33:54 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: FlyVet
If the House was near a 50/50 split, they’d probably be rushing to defend Weiner as they did Bill Clinton.

Interesting thought .... if real power was at stake, and Nancy's gavel was teetering in the balance, would the 'Rats fight for their bad boy?

Point is, though, that they were hoping that the economy would turn at least a little bit and HouseRats could sneak back in on Obozo's coattails next year. Weiner is taking that away from them, so they are hurrying to make him, and his scandal, and the headlines and Leno jokes, go away.

So in that sense, insofar as power is their only motive, ever, they are pursuing power by preparing to expel Weiner instead.

If 'Pubbies thought like 'Rats, a dozen GOP congressmen would be on the phone to Weiner right now, telling him how they think it isn't so bad and that they wouldn't vote to expel him ..... and that they'd really like to have him around as a poster-boy next year ....

I hope he fights like hell.

20 posted on 06/10/2011 8:39:11 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Remember?”

I certainly do. It seems to have been the beginning of the current ascendancy of the obnoxious Progressive movement we’re experiencing.

Just the way totalitarians operate, the Progressives have cultivated the entry of sociopaths into the Democrat Party.
They do very well at insulting, denigrating, smearing and slandering their opponents. (They are sooooo good at it.)

One hopes that their visceral, venomous hatred will spew forth back in their faces and paint them with the brush they use against others.

IMHO


21 posted on 06/10/2011 9:33:17 AM PDT by ripley
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To: lentulusgracchus; stephenjohnbanker; Grampa Dave; Condor51; sickoflibs; rabscuttle385; ...
All politicians have a fatal flaw----they are madly in love with themselves. Weiner AND Clinton's sexploits were a way to feed their massive egos. This type veers toward politics to get the status they think they are entitled to, as well as public adulation and approval. (Anything they can steal with earmarks, and the like, is a plus.)

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I can well understand the political strategy of letting the Dems hang themselves. But in the near future, the Pubbies should consider this:

The House GOP majority should make all the dirty Weiner info/photos/tapes, etc, come out piecemeal at Congressional Explusion hearings. Execute a political death of a thousand cuts. Let Dems stand up in the well of the House and DEFEND WEINER as he twists in the wind.

Pinning it ALL on demoncrats would be a plusperfect political strategy for 2012. Ohaha would be paranoid.

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One of the most obvious issues here is Weiner's Me-First arrogance----the display of his utter contempt for Americans and our Republic......that HIS hold on political power matters more than the integrity of our sacrosanct rule of law and the survival of our govt.

This is not the American way of life.

Moreover, I emphatically agree with other posters-----Weiner has labeled himself a national security risk-----subject to blackmail and other extortionate demands.

22 posted on 06/10/2011 9:40:45 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

Weiner has to tuck it in, and resign.


23 posted on 06/10/2011 12:26:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Liz
All politicians have a fatal flaw----they are madly in love with themselves. Weiner AND Clinton's sexploits were a way to feed their massive egos
The problem with WEINER is that he's not a Christian and he's one of .. 'Those People'...
A 'Professional Politician'

That's become our real problem, 'those people' who couldn't get a Real Job if their life depended on it, and that's WEINER.

I saw a blurb on Drudge (I think?) that that's one reason he won't resign, he can't. He needs his congressional paycheck to live on. Well too bad for him. He's a PIG and disgraces The Peoples House by setting foot on the grounds.

Let him apply for a job at a Deli making Pastrami Sandwiches. I'm sure there's plenty of Deli's in his district that would hire him. He may even get a whopping $15.00 an hour. And after closing he can sweep the floor and eat the crumbs. He may even get lucky and find a whole Kosher Pickle in the trash that he can take home for Huma to munch on.

24 posted on 06/10/2011 12:31:02 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Condor51; stephenjohnbanker
GET OUT YOUR CRYING TOWEL Weiner can't afford to quit the DC day job
NY POST, By CHUCK BENNETT

EXCERPT Weiner doesn't have a business or law degree to fall back on........he took home $156,117 in 2010,....his wife earned $154,000 in 2009, federal records show. He owes between $10,000-15,000 on his Am/Ex, as per financial-disclosure forms. If he steps down, he could grovel to cable TV execs for "analyst" gigs that hopefully pay more than the $825 he gets for HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher." Weiner's reputation is in ruins....lucrative jobs may be hard to get.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/can_afford_to_quit_the_dc_day_job_b W10b5FRwsvEJxDTyi7MYI#ixzz1Os0frpro

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I emphatically believe Weiner's staying put as a strategy----knowing Ohaha and the Dems will buy him out to make him disappear lest he screw up their election plans.

Remember how putrid Rahm got the gate AND the mayoralty of Chicago? You can bet Weiner won't go until he gets enough money to makeup for the earmarks he's been pilfering.

Watch Weiner score several high paying sinecures---maybe a cable talk show, a makework no-show job at a NY govt agency, several lobbying jobs, a tax-exempt "foundation to help" victims of sex crimes (funded with Soros money).

25 posted on 06/10/2011 2:00:30 PM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: ripley
The scariest part of the whole thing is that a larger and larger proportion of the electorate love them.

Very true.

BJ is the "most popular" Dem pol today.

Spitzie in 3 yrs has had 90% of his sins cleansed by the MSM. He'll be back in politics soon.

Weenie still has majority support among his constituents.

Among Dems, all the women want them, and all the men want to be them.

26 posted on 06/10/2011 2:08:18 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Liz

” Watch Weiner score several high paying sinecures-—maybe a cable talk show, a makework no-show job at a NY govt agency, several lobbying jobs, a tax-exempt “foundation to help” victims of sex crimes (funded with Soros money). “

You nailed it.


27 posted on 06/10/2011 2:36:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: reaganator
Bill Clinton was and is a felon.

And taught a whole generation of young folks that oral sex is not sex.

28 posted on 06/10/2011 2:44:35 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Condor51
Looks like sap-happy liberal Weiner is "looking down his nose" at his critics (man, that's some kinda l-o-n-g look (/snix)

THIS JUST IN Chris Matthews: Weiner in Trouble Because He Offends 'Culturally Backward' Christian Conservatives
NewsBusters ^ | 6/10/11 | Geoffrey Dickens
FR Posted by SanFranDan

On Thursday's Hardball, Chris Matthews determined that Demo Weiner could be in danger of being forced out of Congress by Blue Dog Dems who face uphill battles in red states because, as he put it, "people in the rural areas of this country who are Christian conservative culturally - you can say backward if you want...don't like this kind of stuff."

During a discussion about Weiner's chances of survival, after being caught sending lewd pictures to women via Twitter, the MSNBCer claimed the liberal congressman didn't have to worry about his culturally superior constituents in New York - the "56 percent in Brooklyn and Queens" who "can live with this guy."

Instead Weiner had to be concerned with his Democratic colleagues fearful about re-election in the "conservative culturally part of the country."

(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org ...

29 posted on 06/10/2011 2:47:15 PM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

Chris M. is a psychopath.


30 posted on 06/10/2011 4:04:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: nascarnation

“Among Dems, all the women want them, and all the men want to be them.”

Who said the Devil doesn’t exist?

Just asking.


31 posted on 06/10/2011 4:17:27 PM PDT by ripley
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To: reaganator

How is Bill Clinton qualified to marry anyone? Supposedly, he performed some function [not at all clear what] at Weiner and Abedin’s wedding?


32 posted on 06/10/2011 6:41:16 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: Liz

Couldn’t Chelsea Clinton’s husband hire Weiner at the Hedge fund he is starting?


33 posted on 06/10/2011 6:43:29 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: IWONDR
How is Bill Clinton qualified to marry anyone?

The NYT says it's OK, so it must be /sarc

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/nyregion/10weiner.html

34 posted on 06/10/2011 6:48:57 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Kaslin

“We are clawing our way back toward some minimal standards of dignity.”

National Review gave that subtitle to this story. I wonder if this scandal would get the same reaction if there was no Great Recession?


35 posted on 06/14/2011 5:07:37 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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