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German Rating Agency Feri Downgrades US Government Bonds: AAA to AA!
Zero Hedge ^ | June 10, 2011

Posted on 06/10/2011 5:20:02 AM PDT by Zakeet

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To: Optimist

“Feri analysts justify the downgrade by the continuing deterioration of the creditworthiness of the country due to high public debt, inadequate fiscal measures, and weaker growth prospects.”


21 posted on 06/10/2011 6:07:33 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: kittymyrib
Uh oh...the Chinese, who hold billions of our shrinking dollars, won’t like this a bit.

They have already been making noises. China ratings house says US defaulting: report
22 posted on 06/10/2011 6:09:43 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Zakeet

Pre market is down- they don’t like it either.


23 posted on 06/10/2011 6:10:04 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Caipirabob
"Seriously, what is the end game here other than the intentional collapse of our economy?"

Germany post WW1 collapsed under the debt load placed on it by the victorious allies. The Germany solution to the debt was to print money and lots of it. Devaluing it's currency to worthless allowed Germany to pay off it's debt. Lots of smart people expect the USA to do something similar. Whence gold/silver soar while the dollar falls.

24 posted on 06/10/2011 6:10:16 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: kittymyrib

So true.

Related thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2732738/posts


25 posted on 06/10/2011 6:25:03 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: kittymyrib

The Chicaps already sold their bonds


26 posted on 06/10/2011 6:27:11 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Zakeet
I'm just sitting here waiting for the "bolt out of the blue" that starts the panic that is certain to come. Somehow I think the proverbial straw has been dropped and is slowly floating down to the camel back.
27 posted on 06/10/2011 6:29:42 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Caipirabob
Sell Congress into slavery in accordance with the 13th Amendment section 1 (they incurred the debt).

Now we just have to get around Section 2.

Cheers!

28 posted on 06/10/2011 6:33:01 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

It seems the ChiComs are already getting ready to buy a huge chunk of Idaho.


29 posted on 06/10/2011 6:45:29 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Caipirabob

Zero is either a master or totally incompetent. I’m beginning to think this all being orchestrated to cause total global chaos. So far since taking office he has:

1. Put the country into default
2. Crashed the dollar
3. Doubled the price of gas
4. Opened up an illegal attack in Lybia
5. Caused unrest in multiple the ME
6. On the brink of collapsing NATO.
7. Collapsed the housing market
8. Maintained a high unemployment status

Is CWII right around the corner?


30 posted on 06/10/2011 7:09:15 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Zakeet

Hopey-Changey!


31 posted on 06/10/2011 7:09:35 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can only lead a lib to the Truth, you can't make it think...)
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To: DownInFlames

Read about George Wiley and the National Welfare Rights Organization. The radical communist idea has always been (at least from the late 60’s) to crush the system under it’s own weight, by putting as many on welfare programs as possible.

We’re here, folks.

And most of the people around Obama are the Chicago/berkeley radicals that have been talking about this for 30+ years.


32 posted on 06/10/2011 7:17:31 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can only lead a lib to the Truth, you can't make it think...)
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To: Zakeet

And what do I see in the 10 year treasury market as a result of this downgrade?

Nary a peep. In fact, a collective YAWN.

How come I don’t see any move in the 10 year bond yield? If any, YIELDS HAVE DROPPED BELOW 3% !!


33 posted on 06/10/2011 8:18:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: jpsb

was germany’s debt in gold/silver? I would think it would have been, deflating script would have had no impact on payments in metal.

Something back in my head says also that hitler actually discontinued debt payments but that may be decades of fog getting confused.


34 posted on 06/10/2011 9:00:35 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123

You are correct, had to look it up, oh well there goes that theory, lol, thanks for the corcection.


35 posted on 06/10/2011 9:12:22 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Zakeet

Uh-oh.... this is a bad sign


36 posted on 06/10/2011 9:49:05 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Zakeet

So?

We’ll raise taxes and take more freedom!

That’ll show you Germans! :D

/sarc(?)


37 posted on 06/10/2011 10:04:35 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s correct. Part of the reason why is that the Fed is still buying US paper from the primary dealers.

I believe the precipitating event will be an announcement that comes out the Federal Reserve, not the US Treasury. Right now, rates are being kept low by Fed games, which has been deliberately warping the market. That’s what QE is - playing games with the yield curve.

At some point, the Fed will lose credibility. I don’t mean credibility with the American people - they’ve already lost all of that. I mean that they’ll lose credibility with the money people - ie, the people in the major bond markets. The event that finally makes rates explode upwards will be something wherein the Fed loses most (or all) of their credibility, probably because they’re found to have been playing games with their balance sheets or they institute another quiet bailout of a major US i-bank through one of their silly alphabet soup programs.

BTW - part of the reason why the 10 year moved below 3% is the European situation. As bad as the US debt market is, it is still a viable and reliable place to park 10’s of billions in capital if you’re looking to get the heck out of Euro-denominated assets. As bad as our situation is right now, we don’t have the problems of the Euro. And the problems in Euro-land are quickly coming to a head.


38 posted on 06/10/2011 10:12:38 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: SeekAndFind
How come I don’t see any move in the 10 year bond yield? If any, YIELDS HAVE DROPPED BELOW 3% !!

Because nobody's buying long bonds except for a few (very few in fact) insurance companies and pension funds -- almost all of whom are required to do this by law or political considerations.

For example, the highly puffed latest 7-year auction was an unqualified flop with about 75 percent of the paper tendered back to the Fed by the Primaries.

Long bond yields will not take off until the Fed quits printing massive amounts of money. Right now, they can't afford to do this without killing the stock market. Unfortunately, by the time the Fed starts to raise interest rates, our fiat dollar currency will be completely ruined, and nobody will have the financial resources or stupidity to buy more worthless paper.

39 posted on 06/10/2011 10:18:48 AM PDT by Zakeet (The difference between the Wee Wee and a battery ... the battery has a positive side)
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To: Zakeet

A big problem for the Fed now is that they’re trapped between their own rhetoric and market expectations.

The market is selling off because of the economic data and the expectation that as QE2 ends, the market will decline as the dollar might come up off the mat.

However, the dollar isn’t coming up, people still expect QE2 to end and the market is selling off as commodities continue to climb.

The Fed is now in a liquidity trap of their own making, and the door is swinging shut.


40 posted on 06/10/2011 10:39:18 AM PDT by NVDave
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