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Catastrophic Wildfires? Thank the Greenies and Forest Service
Townhall.com ^ | June 11, 2011 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 06/11/2011 5:25:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

Arizona is burning and the Forest Service, pressured by green environmental groups are to blame for their massive, uncontrollable devastation. The Wallow fire, raging in eastern Arizona near Alpine, Nutrioso and Springerville has burned 408,887 acres, over 600 square miles and is the second largest fire the state has ever seen. The largest in Arizona history was the 2002 Rodeo-Chediski fire, which burned 468,638 acres or 732 square miles of Ponderosa Pine forest. The Wallow fire is only 6 percent contained with high winds on the way and easily could pass the Rodeo-Chediski fire in size.

Gary Kiehne is a 5th generation cattle rancher and business owner in Springerville, Ariz. His ranch, located near Reserve, New Mexico, sits 20 short miles away from the Wallow forest fire.

“The Wallow fire is a result of the U.S. Forest Service mismanagement,” Kiehne says to Townhall.

His father, who will turn 90 in March of 2012, saw a fire like the Wallow coming for years based on observations of the green movement’s influence on how the U.S. National Forest Service (USFS) has managed, or rather grossly mismanaged, the forests for years.

“I predicted years ago that when the weather conditions were right, the Gila Wilderness, a waste of natural resources and the Gila National Forest would go up in flames. Much to my sorrow that day has gone,” Emil Kiehne wrote in a letter to his son. “All of this is a result of overprotection of our natural resources, timber and grass that has grown into a dog hair thicket that cannot be contained. The USFS must go back to allowing multiple use of forest lands to prevent forest fires.”

Under the disguise of non-profit organizations and saviors of the environment and endangered species, groups like the Sierra Club, Friends of the Forest Guardians and the Center for Biological Diversity have been strong advocates against logging, the burning of small natural fires, and grazing on federally held forest land. Excessive Forest Service regulation, Endangered Species Act regulations, clean water regulations and more, prevent the salvaging of dead trees and cleanup of excess dead vegetation. This has resulted in a dangerous and large build up of extremely dry dead trees, excess brush and thick vegetation undergrowth. A ticking time bomb waiting for a single lightening strike to set it off.

“We can’t go in and do anything now because essentially the greens control the USFS,” R.J. Smith, director of the Center for Private Conservation at the Competitive Enterprise Institute tells Townhall. “The environmental regulations and the philosophy prevents them from doing anything to restore the forests to a healthy condition. You literally can’t go in anymore.”

Before the U.S. Forest Service was founded in 1905, with a purpose of managing public lands in national forests and grasslands, smaller, natural fires would clear out excess fuels on a regular basis from the forest floor. Private industry practices such as logging and cattle grazing also kept excess fire fuel to a minimum. However, due to the influence of green environmental groups in the past 30 years, logging and cattle grazing have been essentially outlawed on public lands, resulting in the overcrowding of trees. In some areas of our forests, Ponderosa Pine trees grow at a rate of 300 to 700 trees per acre. The natural amount of trees per acre in Ponderosa Pine forests is between 20 and 50 trees per acre and with an overcrowding of trees, comes more competition for water, prolonging western droughts beyond normal time periods, resulting in more dead trees and more excess fire fuel.

In the 1940’s when Emil Kiehne, a former Marine, came home from WWII, there were over 40,000 head of sheep, 20,000 head of cattle and 30-50 sawmills operating in Catron Country New Mexico.

“Today there are no sheep, very little cattle and only two sawmills that work part time, but there are hundreds of government employees doing little or nothing waiting for a vacation or retirement,” Emil Kiehne said in a letter.  

On top of that, according to Smith, the majority of the people employed by the Forest Service aren’t foresters at all and instead focus on biology, zoology, among other specialties not related to the health and maintenance of forests.

In October 2003, President George W. Bush signed the Healthy Forest Initiative, which set aside funds for the Forest Service to go in and begin to treat unhealthy National Forests through mechanical thinning, cutting down trees, salvaging of dead and dying trees and through prescribed burns. However, these efforts have been put on hold because the Forest Service is constantly being dragged into court, using taxpayer dollars by environmentalist groups through the Equal Access to Justice Act, to prevent any management of the forests through the Healthy Forest Initiative, citing violations of the Endangered Species Act or other regulations, for trying to manage the forests properly, which would prevent massive forest fires like the Wallow. The Forest Service has moved away from multiple use, meaning private industry, on public lands to policies focused strictly on recreational use dictated by green environmentalist special interest groups.

“Every time these fires break out, because each passing year you get more and more accumulation of fuels in the forests and so when the fires inevitably come, they’re catastrophic. And the greens say, ‘Well you know we can’t get into the forests, can’t to do this, can’t do that because there is all this habitat we can’t disturb and there’s endangered Spotted Owls in there’ and so on. But what happens when fires of this level come through, they essentially destroy everything. They burn down the whole forest and if they don’t kill the endangered species and wildlife or threatened species that are in there, they do destroy their habitat,” says Smith. “It’s having a devastating effect on those species.”

 We always hear about environmental groups protesting and screaming about protecting the animals and plants in the forest, yet when there is a massive forest fire, those same green activists aren’t the ones on the front lines trying to put out the fire.

“What’s amazing is that none of them are here trying to fight the fire,” Gary Kiehne says. “I haven’t seen Greenpeace, I haven’t seen Friends of Forest Guardians. I haven’t seen the Center for Biological Diversity. None of them.”

And big fires mean big government solutions and bigger bills being sent to the taxpayer. The knee-jerk reaction to monster fires is to give firefighters more resources and money to fight them, rather than taking a proactive approach to preventing forest fires through the clearing of excess fuels. In addition, the USFS will ask and get more money, taxpayer dollars, to remove remaining livestock from forest lands and to implement even more regulation to “protect” the remaining trees that didn’t get burned.

“Instead of wasting the money on future appropriations of out tax dollars to fight future fires, these funds should be appropriated in the form of grants for low interest loans to ranchers and logging companies for the purpose of constructing saw mills and purchasing livestock and rebuilding the infrastructure including fences, water and roads so that the private sector can harvest the timber and grass off of our Forests.  The lack of harvesting over the last 40 years is the real cause of this fire and it could have easily been avoided had proper management of the forests been allowed by the USFS,” Gary Kiehne wrote in a letter to Congressional Legislators.

These massive fires have major impacts on local community economies in addition to the environment.

“The short term impact to these communities first off, when a fire like this happens like the Rodeo-Chediski fire for example, we had a temporary boom because firefighters and are staying in our hotels and restaurants but then, as soon as they got the fire out, the Forest Service put a ban on anybody coming up here,” Gary Kiehne says. “Our communities are effectively going to die on the vine because of this fire.”

The area where the Wallow fire is burning could be turned into a successful recreational for hunters, fishers and ranchers if natural resources weren’t controlled by the green movement and the USFS.

Ironically, the slogan of the Forest Services’ Smokey the Bear is “only you can prevent forest fires,” yet the green movement in partnership with the USFS are doing exactly the opposite. Natural resources are going to waste, economies are being stalled, homes are burning and the environment is being destroyed thanks to the incompetence, as usual, of the greenies and the USFS. The very thing environmentalists claim they want to protect is being completely destroyed and devastated thanks to their own big government, anti-private industry, nonsensical policies. Environmentalists have fought for control of land in America and now that they have it, they have trashed it, leaving to burn in an inferno nearly impossible to contain which will leave the once beautiful land charred, black and the eco-system changed for a very very long time.

“All public lands should become private lands because what belongs to everyone belongs to no one.” -Emil Kiehne.

The USFS did not return my phone calls for comment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Arizona; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: forestfires; greenstupidity; stupidliberalism
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1 posted on 06/11/2011 5:26:00 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Yes, and Smokey Bear also says ‘9 out of 10 wildfires are caused by humans.’

Not many people want to talk about the fact that Islamists like to start fires, too (not that that is what happened here, but I’m just sayin’...)

I agree about the governmnent-owned lands being a bad deal, too—along with the influence of the suicidal, biophobic enviro-wackos.


2 posted on 06/11/2011 5:39:43 AM PDT by WXRGina
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To: Kaslin

But what happens when fires of this level come through, they essentially destroy everything. They burn down the whole forest and if they don’t kill the endangered species and wildlife or threatened species that are in there, they do destroy their habitat,” says Smith. “It’s having a devastating effect on those species.”

That pretty much sums up what happens when you let Leftists run wild. They end up destroying everything. And when the destruction happens the Leftists are no where to be found.


3 posted on 06/11/2011 5:40:05 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

(liberal)

Since the AZ fires destroyed so much endangered habitat, we need Obama to designate 5 times the acreage in an area used for mining/drilling/shale oil/gas to mitigate the damage.

For the children.

(/liberal)

Trouble is, they will do something like this before hid highness leaves the building.


4 posted on 06/11/2011 5:48:01 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kaslin

I’ve been choking on wildfire smoke for the past two weeks, wondering how much carbon gas has gone into the atmosphere. I’d like to see some numbers. The globalist warmers should have some serious research material, providing any of them can do any serious research without fudging the numbers.


5 posted on 06/11/2011 5:48:54 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Kaslin

Great post! Reality keeps hitting the socialists in the face.


6 posted on 06/11/2011 5:49:34 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: Kaslin

The Forest Circus, Department of Aggrevation.
The pine beetles just ate our forest, hundreds of square miles of dead forest here in northern Colorado. They warn you not to go out among the dead trees when the wind is blowing, because you might have one blow over on you..... Next to come is the fire that will burn all the dead standing timber, from Laramie to Dillon, and cost us billions to recover from.

I just love the Forest Circus, all they care about is collecting the various fees from forest users. They will chase you down on their ATV’s or snowmobiles just to see your permits or write you a ticket for something or the other. They closed so many roads that you can’t get in to do much of anything, but then again their isn’t much to do after the forest is dead anyway.....

When I think about it, most of the Forest Circus employees that I know, only care about their perks and retirement. Bureaucrats, all of them.....


7 posted on 06/11/2011 6:01:21 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: DCmarcher-976453
This means to me that after the fires are extinguished and we realize that not only Bambi, but Bumper etal are no longer there including the spotted owl, we can drill baby drill for oil and natural gas without any idiot going on a hunger strike on a tree or some retired hippie( hey wait a second, I'm one of dem) complaining about ruining the enviorment.
8 posted on 06/11/2011 6:01:26 AM PDT by shadeaud (" If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: Kaslin

For whatever reason enviros have decided they are the only ones good enough to use our public lands. Tehy are insistent that the rest of us work and support them while they play on land we aren’t allowed to use. The sight of a cow (beefsteak on the hoof) drives them into a frenzy.


9 posted on 06/11/2011 6:09:38 AM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: Kaslin

obama H-A-T-E-S Jan Brewer, so he probably ordered all U.S. Forest Service fire trucks to have their water dumped on the ground and the tanks refilled with gasoline.


10 posted on 06/11/2011 6:23:40 AM PDT by jmax
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To: Kaslin

Somebody oughta use the statute the Greenis love [if they can], and sue the hell out of the Sierra Club, the Federal government and all its agencies form any damage they suffer.


11 posted on 06/11/2011 6:25:38 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Kaslin

Excellent article! We’ve not had a smoke free day for weeks, not by this fire, but by the Horseshoe 2 fire in Portal AZ, which has been burning for over a month and is about 128 thousand acres at a cost of some $30 million. Speculation is that illegals start some of the fires to divert resources away from smuggling activities, which wouldn’t surprise me. The BLM land behind my place that once was grazed is now a “preserve” area that is choked with 6’ tall pig weed and other flammable overgrowth that is a tinder box.


12 posted on 06/11/2011 6:27:43 AM PDT by exbrit
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To: Kaslin

The USFS did not return my phone calls for comment.

No. I’m shocked.

Radical environmentalist should be on everyone’s list.

Santa is always making a list and checking it twice.

We should be doing the same.

Reality will be down the road a piece, but sooner or later...


13 posted on 06/11/2011 6:29:34 AM PDT by wita
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To: Kaslin
From the article:
We always hear about environmental groups protesting and screaming about protecting the animals and plants in the forest, yet when there is a massive forest fire, those same green activists aren’t the ones on the front lines trying to put out the fire.

Of course not - they are often the ones on the front lines setting the fires.

The whole green plan is to have as many wild fires as possible in rural areas (set either by nature, or carelessness, unless in a desirable location then set by covert green operatives). The goal is to drive the landowners and local residents off the land.

That achieved, various green groups (American Rivers, The Nature Conservancy, etc) will then step in and buy the land for themselves for cheap, then resell some of it to the Feds to cover costs, some for nature set asides, some for members farms, and a lot for richer members nature retreats and wilderness homes. No public access permitted.

The green scam hard at work and play.

14 posted on 06/11/2011 6:34:23 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: shadeaud
...that after the fires are extinguished and we realize that not only Bambi, but Bumper etal are no longer there including the spotted owl, we can drill baby drill for oil and natural gas without any idiot going on a hunger strike on a tree or some retired hippie( hey wait a second, I'm one of dem) complaining about ruining the environment....

Dream on.

First thing that happens after a wildfire in Montana is every enviroweenie lawyer for a thousand miles descends on the district courts involved to tie up even PRIVATE land in so many "concerns", the entire area affected is almost totally off-limits for all eternity.

The burned trees don't get cut. The burned land doesn't get restored. You can't drive a vehicle on it, put your livestock out to graze on it or do much but wait for the next lightning strike to start that tinderbox mess on fire again.

And if you think that anybody, anytime will ever be allowed to do anything like drill for oil or gas......

The only conclusion I can reach after watching the ForestPig and the GreenPig pull this crap is that they're just trying to burn us all out.

Texas and Arizona are just this year's Target of Opportunity.

15 posted on 06/11/2011 6:37:54 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((588 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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Not the only place we’ve seen this effect. I live in Reagan country - Santa Barbara. We’ve had a nasty series of fires in the mountain ranges (Sta. Ynez Mountains) behind town over the last 5 years. Things will calm down now for the next 40 years or so around here now that the fires have happened, but the situation is very similar to what’s happening in AZ and for the same causes. When I was a tadpole, we were taught that fire is a part of the natural environment and the green weenies (and trial lawyers because if a control burn gets away, the USFS employee in charge is personally liable) are preventing normal (smaller and more frequent) fires from keeping the underbrush down. SO, when the forest does light off, as it certainly will at some point, you get these huge mega-fires.


16 posted on 06/11/2011 7:03:53 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
But what happens when fires of this level come through, they essentially destroy everything. They burn down the whole forest and if they don’t kill the endangered species and wildlife or threatened species that are in there, they do destroy their habitat,” says Smith. “It’s having a devastating effect on those species.”

Same quote I thought important too. Ditto all this for Oregon, the exact same things are happening here. Now we have the Humane society filing lawsuits to save the sea lions that are wiping out the salmon runs, some of the salmon are on the endangered species list also.

This all goes to show that the environmental movement is not about the environment it is all about the money. Lawyers that file lawsuits against the states and then raise money by showing a baby seal being clubbed and urbanites send them millions to keep the environmental lawyer's cash flowing.

17 posted on 06/11/2011 7:41:43 AM PDT by thirst4truth (The left elected a mouth that is unattached to an eye, brain or muscle.)
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To: Kaslin

U.S.F.S. forest plans do not protect the essential nutrients in the soil that would support a healthy forest environment. If forest plans had to maintain healthy soil, it would be impossible to have wilderness in semi-arid evergreen forests.

Our local Natural Resources Conservation Service (U.S. Dept. of Agriculture) does a good job advising local ranchers on maintaining good soil quality and good fuel management in their wooded acreages. The U.S.F.S. has no policy or plans for protecting soil nutrients from extremely hot burns in semi-arid evergreen forests they manage.

I’d rather see a County Conservation Corp managing federal and state lands within county boundaries under the direction of the local Natural Resources Conservation Service than see government bureaucrats with no connection to the forests or the local communities managing under rigidly authoritarian regulations from afar.


18 posted on 06/11/2011 9:22:16 AM PDT by sforkjoe57 (How much longer must Americans be slaves to the stupidity of John Maynard Keynes?)
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To: wita

I like the way you think.


19 posted on 06/11/2011 9:38:22 AM PDT by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: PzLdr

I believe that the Access To Justice Act protects all the Green groups from litigation. I don’t have a cite, but that sticks in my memory from back in the day when Clinton pushed through the legislation that allows them to sue at will at taxpayer cost.

Someone will correct me if I am wrong.


20 posted on 06/11/2011 12:07:09 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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