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Ireland Seizes $7 Billion From Its Pension Fund To Boost Employment
TBI ^ | 6-12-2011 | Hugh O'Connell, thejournal.ie

Posted on 06/12/2011 6:17:44 AM PDT by blam

Ireland Seizes $7 Billion From Its Pension Fund To Boost Employment

Hugh O'Connell, thejournal.ie
Jun. 12, 2011, 7:57 AM

THE GOVERNMENT WILL use the last €5 billion in the National Pensions Reserve Fund (NPRF) to help create employment although it will need approval from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and Europe before doing so.

The Sunday Times reports today that the money will be used by the government to create as many as 80,000 jobs in Ireland. The paper cites government sources in reporting that the use of the money would be seen as more viable then the proposed sale of semi-state assets in the current weak market.

One source says that the view of the troika of IMF, the European Union and the European Central Bank is that if you have money it should be spent rather than drawing on outside funding or money from selling off assets at the wrong-time.

The NPRF was launched ten-years-ago by the then Minister for Finance Charlie McCreevy.

Its purpose was to build up assets which would part-finance the cost to the exchequer of social welfare and public service pensions from 2025 onward.

A total of €17.5 billion of it is being used as part of the €85 billion EU/IMF bailout that was agreed last November

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 401k; economy; ira; ireland; nprf; pension; pensions; piigs
Seizes!

"An Investment In The Future Of The Country"

Coming your way:(Future Obama speech?)

"The government has allowed some fortunate individuals to set-aside money in tax exempt accounts....in out times of trouble, it is time for those fortunate few to share their (government allowed) good fortune with a suffering nation. I have instructed members of my economic team to.....

1 posted on 06/12/2011 6:17:46 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Yup..the pilfering will begin here. Been telling people that this is the next move by gubmints.


2 posted on 06/12/2011 6:23:35 AM PDT by crz
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To: blam

“That could never happen here.”
/sarc


3 posted on 06/12/2011 6:25:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: blam
But we shouldn't used the acronym PIIGS....

SNORT.

4 posted on 06/12/2011 6:28:03 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
From 2010....

Barclays bans "PIIGS" from notes

5 posted on 06/12/2011 6:29:47 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Travis McGee
On a related note...

Meredith Whitney: State finances are worse than estimated

6 posted on 06/12/2011 6:32:07 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: blam

Wait for the Krugman bloviation pointing to this as the example the US should follow.


7 posted on 06/12/2011 6:46:42 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: blam

I guess that is what (.)bama was doing during his visit to Ireland, getting ideas he could import back here and recast them as his own.

One thing that has bothered me about his recent shift in rhetoric is his noting that business must begin partnering with government to promote employment, that is, hire people they don’t need as they see no growth in the US. I recall a tax that was enacted in the 30’s which Roosevelt put on businesses with “undistributed profits” which meant they were not distributed to stockholders so they stockholders could pay taxes at the higher surcharge levels in effect on the “fortunate” at that time. It is not a long reach to see him proposing a tax on the cash held by businesses above some preconceived idea of how much money they need to operate. At last estimate there was 2T in cash and securities on the books of US businesses, in the eyes of the socialist (.)bama, a fair tax would be 75% of that cash to go the G to create goverment jobs IMO. Watch for this coming to one of his proposals soon.


8 posted on 06/12/2011 6:46:54 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: blam

There is no consideration given in these socialist “utopias” to tax cuts or less govt spending.

They are doomed.


9 posted on 06/12/2011 6:47:21 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: blam
Way back (when?), we had a Social Security Trust Fund set up with few people withdrawing but many people contributing [required by law]. It was becoming an enormous cash-rich bank account and as such canny politicians started looking for ways to put that cash cow to 'work'. At first it was things like "Survivor Benefits" and others that at least went along with the original idea of supplementing and helping the aged and infirm.

However once the wall was breeched and politicians learned that they could raid this trust fund with relative impunity by stuffing the box with IOUs, it became a re-election and constituent service dream. After all, the politician only had to worry about his electoral career and the bill wouldn't become due until long after he was gone. They even admitted it while they were doing it, but so long as they kept the goodies flowing, hey who cares.

I remember the 2000 election cycle when Vice President Al Gore stood there with a straight face and absolutely LIED about the safety of the Social Security Trust Fund and it's "Locked Box". It was almost as good as when he was in the Rose Garden defending Bill Clinton's morality.

So the difference between our past and this Irish present does not surprise me. Now, given the proclivities of America's "Native Criminals" (Mark Twain), with our systems in such dire straights, is it inconceivable that their eyes turn to our PRIVATE INVESTMENTs next. Sadly, no, since to so very many of them, including our President, there is no such thing as private wealth nor sanctity of contract nor supremacy of Constitutional Law.

10 posted on 06/12/2011 6:49:32 AM PDT by SES1066 (Michael Moore - a pernicious progluddite of socialism!)
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To: SES1066
... with our systems in such dire straights,

AARRGGHHHH! Insufficient coffee in blood stream - correct to "with our systems in such dire straits," please!

11 posted on 06/12/2011 6:52:58 AM PDT by SES1066 (Michael Moore - a pernicious progluddite of socialism!)
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To: SES1066

On my first cup-didn’t even notice it...

The Mrs
-former Proofreader..zzzzzz


12 posted on 06/12/2011 6:55:49 AM PDT by CT Hillbilly
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To: SES1066

BHO’s greatest sin as president is what he has done to contract law.

And very few people even noticed.

I am losing hope.


13 posted on 06/12/2011 7:02:20 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: Mouton

Will Big Business owners and corporate CEO’s grow a spine and stand up to Barky’s “invitations” to be govt-controlled?


14 posted on 06/12/2011 7:06:55 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: silverleaf

The tax enacted under Roosevelt last for almost 40 years so I guess they will not have a choice. This is gangster government fine tuned.

Thank God we at least have some control of the house or we would have been down the financial tubes by now albeit the house is kicking and screaming as the rest of the establishment government is dragging them down the rat hole.


15 posted on 06/12/2011 7:23:38 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: SES1066

The brilliant and glum Jim Manzi has pointed out that millions of Americans are depending on promises that cannot possibly be kept, by Social Security, Medicare and government pension schemes. Even private pension schemes that are funded on an “actuarially sound” basis are at risk.

The reason is simple: the resources to meet these promises simply do not exist. No taxation scheme, redistribution scheme, belt tightening scheme or any other scheme is going to make them exist.

Think of a situation where the human race no longer procreated, say because of a wide spread epidemic that wipes out our ability to reproduce. You could save as much money as you wanted, you could hoard bars of gold or bags of diamonds or stacks of hundred dollar bills, but for the last remaining aging humans, there would be no one to care for them in their last years, no one to bury the dead, no one to grow crops, drill oil, man firehouses. Humanity would end in a bleak barren landscape of a decaying civilization.

While our current plight is nowhere nearly that grim, the analogy holds, at the margins. We have many more claimants on future productivity than there is any prospect of satisfying. Forget money or dollars or inflation. What will not exist are enough people who will be productive enough to fulfill these promises, barring unprecedented increases in productivity. The current administration’s anti-energy, anti-business tendencies bespeak a deep luddite streak in the body politic of the republic (and the larger world) that make such miracles seem even more unlikely.


16 posted on 06/12/2011 7:41:53 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Sadly, you are correct.

How exactly could the government save 34.8 trillion dollars, without destroying the world economy?

And how could they then spend it, without destroying the world economy?

It was not possible from the start - payroll taxes have been a lie from the start, and are really just another income tax.

Fraud by government.

Instead of putting Madhoff in jail, they should have made him Secretary of the Treasury. At least his lies were convincing.


17 posted on 06/12/2011 7:51:14 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: crz
Another "us against them" tactic. The leisure class surely does not have retirement investments so it's a safe bet that they will support the theft.

Can't risk derailing the gravy train now can we?

18 posted on 06/12/2011 7:52:06 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: blam

Ireland should have just seized 5 billion from U2 Bono’s accounts. Read where he is transferring his junk to a better tax country. What a fraud.


19 posted on 06/12/2011 8:04:54 AM PDT by Pit1 (The only word out of the dims mouth is TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX. And RINOS eat it up)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/treasury-to-tap-pensions-to-help-fund-government/2011/05/15/AF2fqK4G_story.html

We’re already doing this.


20 posted on 06/12/2011 8:42:24 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: blam

Never, ever trust your government with your accrued retirement wealth....hard lesson being learned all over the planet. Politicians and bureaucrats cannot be trusted.


21 posted on 06/12/2011 8:42:33 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: blam

US politicians are already trying to figure out how to confiscated your 401(k) dollars...they just can’t figure out how to do it legally because it is still in your name.

At some point, they’re going to come up with some scheme or other by claiming some of that money is owed to taxes...and then there will be a never ending drain on those accounts until they’re depleted, just like every socialist program they have implemented and put in ‘trust’ funds.


22 posted on 06/12/2011 8:46:35 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: blam

“The government has allowed some fortunate individuals to set-aside money in tax exempt accounts....in out times of trouble, it is time for those fortunate few to share their (government allowed) good fortune with a suffering nation.”

Unbelievable! Fortunate individuals? How about “people who worked hard and set aside some money for the future”? Time for them to share?? There is no sharing, it’s theft, pure and simple. Sharing is voluntary. Man, this infuriates me.

When one is forced to labor for the benefit of another, it is slavery. Without property rights, we are nothing but slaves.


23 posted on 06/12/2011 9:21:09 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: blam

Oops, I thought he had actually said this. You’re too good - I hope you don’t decide to become a speech writer for Obama. ;-)


24 posted on 06/12/2011 9:23:04 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX
LOL

Carry on.

25 posted on 06/12/2011 10:33:24 AM PDT by blam
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To: Pining_4_TX
LOL

Carry on.

26 posted on 06/12/2011 10:34:48 AM PDT by blam
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To: RowdyFFC

They will just start upping taxes on the 401k fund companies who willl pass that along to you. They will even conveniently take it out of your fund for you along with their ‘maintenance’ fee.


27 posted on 06/12/2011 1:05:53 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Forced charity isn’t charity. Bottom line.

Legalized robbery.


28 posted on 06/12/2011 1:06:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Mouton

http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/ArtWeb/13F0B2FC36593DC28525751A004A3EDC?OpenDocument
“...New Deal tax officials used the Keynesian insight on progressive taxation to help sell a sweeping overhaul of corporate income taxation. Corporate managers, they argued, were shielding rich shareholders from their legitimate tax burden by retaining profits rather than paying dividends. A new tax on undistributed profits would force companies to disgorge this money by imposing a graduated penalty on retained earnings, with the penalty calibrated to the percentage of profits retained. Such a tax would strike a blow for tax fairness and close a loophole exploited by the lucky few.

At the same time, the UPT would free money trapped in corporate coffers and move it to the pockets of people who might actually spend it. If corporations obstinately refused to pay larger dividends, then the government could use the resulting increase in tax revenue for the same stimulatory effect. Treasury experts made this Keynesian case in 1937:

There are good grounds for believing that there exists in this country a considerable stream of uninvested savings which prevent a full absorption of the potential products of industry. Aside from its equitable advantages, therefore, the tendency of the undistributed profits tax to prevent over-saving by the higher income groups may be considered to be a desirable contribution.”

You don’t have to be crazy to be a Keynesian, but...


29 posted on 06/12/2011 1:54:44 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

We have a slight demographic problem, and that contributes to the pending crisis. This really depends on who you are and what your expectations are. Some groups will fare well enough, especially those with close and/or large competent and productive families. The most extreme examples are the Amish, but there are plenty of folks in rural and exurban and even suburban areas that will do ok. I agree there will be some massive problems though over the next few years.


30 posted on 06/21/2011 11:13:16 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: crz

Well the govt has been “borrowing” from Social Security for decades. So it seems like the US is well down this path already.


31 posted on 06/21/2011 11:16:04 AM PDT by nascarnation
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