[Jack Hydrazine]

Looking at the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOByfwT0734

It looks like he is on his side or prone with the knees of two transit cops on him. You can see his hands but I can’t tell if he is cuffed or not.

Again, cops can execute the citizenry and get their hands slapped because of the immunity they have as cops. This is happening over and over again. Just like the guy at Costco or the wood carver in Seattle and the guy who was murdered by the SWAT in Tucson. Those are just a small sample of what goes on in the criminal justice system.

As Americans lose their conscience and become police officers and members of SWAT teams we get cops who are behaving more and more like thugs and death squads from third world countries. They look at the citizenry as the enemy and treat them as such.

Then again America is rushing toward third world status in a hurry.

[I Buried My Guns]

Actually, from what I have learned about Oscar Grant, I think he was a complete a scumbag and I am glad he is dead. I just diagree with the method, is all. Never again will he victimize an innocent person.

[absalom01]

That video shows the earliest part of the struggle to control Grant, there are others that show the action from a better angle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LDw5l_yMI where it can be seen that Grant is not cuffed, and his hands are beneath him. This was also entered into testimony, and was not disputed at trial. So all I was trying to do was correct the matters of fact as presented at the trial: Grant was not under control, was not cuffed, and his hands were not visible.

The reason I point this out is to try to bring the light of reality into some of these Libertarian leaning LE threads, and also, point out that Mr. Grant caused the problem. Johannes Mahserle is guilty of being young, inexperienced, and poorly trained. He shouldn't have been prosecuted, and the efforts on the "right" to prevent society from protecting itself from the likes of Mr. Grant by setting the bar for police performance ever higher is clearly a much-needed assist to the left in their decades long project to turn the US into a third world country.