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NY Times Political Calculus: NH Debate Swings Door Open for Perry, Closed for Palin
New York Times ^ | 06/14/2011 | Nate Silver

Posted on 06/14/2011 12:15:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Most people have better things to do than to watch a presidential debate eight months in advance of the Iowa caucuses. So when considering a debate like the one that took place among Republican candidates in New Hampshire tonight, it’s important to be mindful of the following:

First, the debate serves mostly to influence elite opinion — including partisan strategists, the news media, local party leaders, major donors and bundlers and the candidates and their staffs. Much less so ordinary voters, who are not yet tuning in.

Second, only a couple of themes are liable to be remembered days (let alone weeks or months) later. The subtle distinctions that a candidate draws on the differences between their Medicare plan and Representative Paul Ryan’s — that stuff will be forgotten about. Instead, it’s the “artistic impression” of the candidates that matters — as well as any actual, breaking news.

The candidate to break news in this debate was Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, who announced that she was running for president. And then she performed strongly throughout, exuding confidence, and turning her service in the House of Representatives from a potential liability (in a field that also includes governors and senators) into a strength (by emphasizing her active role in formulating policy on the major issues of the day).

The comparison between Ms. Bachmann and Sarah Palin is perhaps made too easily. But as I remarked on Twitter during the debate, if there is a constituency of voters trying to decide between the two, Ms. Bachmann has a lot to offer. She’s considerably sharper on her feet than Ms. Palin, and has more discipline.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debates; newhampshire; rickperry; sarahpalin
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1 posted on 06/14/2011 12:15:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Im not sold on Bachmann. Theres something a little “politicky” about her. Im not saying no just she hasnt sold me like Palin has.


2 posted on 06/14/2011 12:18:02 PM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pffft... NYT = DNC = Marxism

I ain’t buyin’ whatever the NYTimes is trying to sell.


3 posted on 06/14/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by Obadiah (If you don't believe you can win, there is no point in getting out of bed at the end of the day.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They are desperately hoping that Sarah does not enter. You can smell the fear.


4 posted on 06/14/2011 12:19:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: GoCards
She’s considerably sharper on her feet than Ms. Palin, and has more discipline.

Oooootay, Buckwheat! Whatever you say! *snort*

5 posted on 06/14/2011 12:22:00 PM PDT by misharu (FB page: I Stand with Sarah Palin)
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To: SeekAndFind

I won’t be voting for Bachmann/Rollins,

I’ll be voting for Palin, period. I don’t give a flip what NYT has to say about ANYTHING.


6 posted on 06/14/2011 12:22:28 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When the NYT times paints a rosy picture of a GOP candidate, you can bet they’re really going after the one they’re comparing her to...


7 posted on 06/14/2011 12:22:35 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: SeekAndFind

The NYT likes Bachmann and doesn’t like Palin. What should a conservative derive from this?


8 posted on 06/14/2011 12:22:42 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Obadiah

Me either.

I like what Perry has done for Texas so far but president, not sure.

Esp when the enemy thinks he’s a good pick.


9 posted on 06/14/2011 12:23:18 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (VOTE out the RATS! Go Sarah!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing the NYT says about Palin can taken seriously.


10 posted on 06/14/2011 12:24:49 PM PDT by Spok
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To: GoCards
Theres something a little “politicky” about her.

You mean like her non-anouncement that she would soon announce that she is running for President. Pretty amateurish and hokey IMO.

Palin plays hardball. Michelle is coming off as a bit of a lightweight.

11 posted on 06/14/2011 12:25:06 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: ClearCase_guy
They are desperately hoping that Sarah does not enter. You can smell the fear.

The smeardia™ has done their best to smear and slander her to the opposite affect. She is been inoculated and her persona has reached mythical proportions. It's HERS if she wants it. Lucky for "them" it looks like she doesn't want the job.

12 posted on 06/14/2011 12:26:58 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s up with both lib rags (like NYT’s little guy Nate) and GOP old establishment (NO, Rich Lowry) propping up Michele Bachmann as the true conservative voice?

Since when both sides are locked step together like this?

This does make you go Hummmmmm.....


13 posted on 06/14/2011 12:28:29 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: SeekAndFind
She’s considerably sharper on her feet than Ms. Palin, and has more discipline.

I think that this may be true, but also irrelevant. We're not picking the host of Saturday Night Live, we're picking the next president of the United States. Often it's "gut feel" about what is right, conservatively-speaking, that is more important. We already have Mr. Glib in the WH and it isn't working out so well.

14 posted on 06/14/2011 12:30:35 PM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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Esp when the enemy thinks he’s a good pick.

Then again it might be reverse psychology.

15 posted on 06/14/2011 12:30:40 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (VOTE out the RATS! Go Sarah!)
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To: Durus

The NYT doesn’t like Palin. They don’t like Bachmann either, but Palin is the more immediate threat to Romney, or whatever establishment RINO (now Perry) they find acceptable.


16 posted on 06/14/2011 12:31:10 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: SeekAndFind
When the New York Times makes positive noises about a conservative Republican, red flags fly. I generally like Michele Bachmann but would chose Sarah Palin in a heartbeat were the two on the same ballot. I fear that Bachmann and, perhaps, Perry, is going to be used by the leftmedia as a means to roadblock a Palin candidacy. Once that is accomplished, they'll get the same kind of smears the left always uses on Republicans. Fortunately, I believe that Sarah Palin will run and if she does, the leftist media applecart will be overturned. The impact of a Palin candidacy on fundraising and sheer attention will be so graet that other conservative candidates, willingly or grudgingly, will withdraw and throw their support to Palin...and the left will go nuts. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth - and I don't mean metaphorically. Frankly, I can't wait.
17 posted on 06/14/2011 12:33:25 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Gator113

RE: I’ll be voting for Palin, period

IF she runs.


18 posted on 06/14/2011 12:34:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: truthfreedom
Wouldn't their heads just explode if on the last night of the Republican Convention it's:


19 posted on 06/14/2011 12:36:37 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: truthfreedom

Romney is his own biggest threat. He comes across as a phoney baloney plastic banana.


20 posted on 06/14/2011 12:36:53 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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