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Knowingly Jumping Off a Cliff (US Postal Service and their unions are fleecing you)
Evolving Excellence ^ | 15 June 2011 | Kevin Meyer

Posted on 06/16/2011 1:58:08 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter

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The Democrats have never seen a money hole they couldn't dig deeper.
1 posted on 06/16/2011 1:58:16 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Straight Vermonter
I went to paperless billing with Verizon several years ago, but now I'm kicking myself. I need to prove that I made a phone call back in December 2007 from my cell phone, but the on-line records don't go back that far and now I'm screwed as far as proving my claim.

Sometimes we give up too much control for the sake of convenience.

Mrs. Prince of Space

2 posted on 06/16/2011 2:30:35 AM PDT by Prince of Space ("The problem with quotes on the internet is it's hard to verify their authenticity." Abe Lincoln)
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To: Prince of Space

That would be your own fault for not saving a copy of the file each month.

If you had selected paper billing and neglected to keep a copy you would be in the exact same spot right now.


3 posted on 06/16/2011 2:36:17 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
It relies on first-class mail to fund most of its operations, but first-class mail volume is steadily declining—in 2005 it fell below junk mail for the first time. This was a significant milestone. The USPS needs three pieces of junk mail to replace the profit of a vanished stamp-bearing letter.

"The postal service is already carrying more junk than first class," says postal consultant Campbell. "Pretty soon it's going to be a government-run advertising mail delivery service. Does that make any sense? It doesn't make any sense."

No kidding. So my tax dollars are subsidizing junk mailers at a time of severe budget deficits? Yes they are - the postal service is no longer revenue neutral, by a ways.

Where is the logic in this argument? It takes 3 pieces of junk mail to earn the same profit as 1 first-class letter. So that means that junk mail delivery *STILL EARNS A PROFIT*. Therefore, it is not a loss... and you cannot subsidize an activity that is producing profit. You can provide a subsidy to turn something that isn't profitable into something that is (like ethanol), but junk mail delivery, by the admission of the author, is already profitable.

As for the "government-run advertising mail delivery service"... I thought the job of the post office was to deliver mail. Not to determine which mail is more worthy than another and then reject the unworthy mail. Imagine if that *WAS* the case, though. Obama deems Republican mail to be unworthy and then the post office refuses to deliver it. Slippery slope here if you start asking the post office to determine the mail's worthiness to be delivered.

Then the article goes on to say:

Since 2007 the USPS has been unable to cover its annual budget, 80 percent of which goes to salaries and benefits.

Which, of course, disproves the junk mail statements. For our tax dollars are subsidizing the salaries and benefits of the postal workers, *NOT* junk mail delivery.

And the rest of the article goes on to rally against the postal union's bloated benefits. Which is great, but has nothing to do with the initial topic broached by the article in the first place.

Which means this author really needs to take a writing class or three.

4 posted on 06/16/2011 3:01:56 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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Hah! Catch 22:
If you must print copies of "paper-less" bills, why go "paper-less" in the first place?
5 posted on 06/16/2011 3:05:58 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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Uh, you *save* the file, not print it out.

No catch-22. I have paperless records stored on my computer (and its backups) going back ten years.


6 posted on 06/16/2011 3:17:32 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Prince of Space

Call them. I recently needed information for our friendly IRS that wasn’t on line and my insurance company found it for me.

I love getting all my lawful deductions even if I have trouble finding the paperword, the answer is probably available.


7 posted on 06/16/2011 4:27:49 AM PDT by politicianslie (Democrats are COMMUNISTS, Repubs are SOCIALISTS, and Barry is a Muslim manipulating USEFUL IDIOTS)
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To: Minutemen

Many industries are required to retain records going back 10 years. I believe the telecom industry is one of them, but I’m not sure if wireless is under that umbrella.

Many of these outfits, esp. Verizon, will archive off legacy data to tape backups or digital backup libraries. You can call them to request a paper copy of the bill, and they’ll probably tell you it’ll take a week or more since they have to call back the tapes from places like Iron Mountain or SCE, run a recovery job on the tape for your record number, and put it somewhere that it can be recovered by another department.

We do this sort of stuff for medical records here all the time, and we have 2 operators who worked for Verizon and AT&T and had similar processes there.


8 posted on 06/16/2011 4:35:40 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
...his job is to persuade banks to keep sending paper statements in the mail.

"In other news, the almost defunct Buggy Whip Manufacturer's Union press officer has paid multiple visits to Ford, GM and Chrysler. The purpose of these visits is to convince the car manufacturers to build corrals on their car lots so car dealers can offer "green" alternative means of travel to car buyers...horses and buggies"

9 posted on 06/16/2011 4:51:47 AM PDT by moovova (That laser-like focus was just a sharp stick in the eye.)
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To: gogogodzilla

The gist of the article is that junk mail pays a cheaper rate than what other mail pays and thus does not bring in the same amount of revenue per item.
Why should junk mail get a reduced rate and then the post office have to beg for money? The cheaper rate is thus subsidized.

“I thought the job of the post office was to deliver mail”

Indeed it is but nothing demands paper be carried from post to post. And that is what the Post Office is trying to preserve, an outdated and obviously unworkable system at the expense of the public, a public who really is getting fleeced.

“Slippery slope here if you start asking the post office to determine the mail’s worthiness to be delivered”

It already does. Unless you pay extra your mailed packages take longer to deliver. And here where I live on Saturdays outgoing mail will not be picked up unless there is mail to be delivered at the same address.

“Since 2007 the USPS has been unable to cover its annual budget, 80 percent of which goes to salaries and benefits.”

If the postal service cannot cover its costs and 80% of these costs are salaries and benefits it makes sense to look there for cost cutting measures but due to the unions
that hasn’t happened. and probably won’t.

Increasing amounts of cut rate mail, declines in full rate mail, inability to reduce labor costs and following a dying model of service to its customers is killing a valuable part of our society. If the decline of the postal service continues something will replace it, whether as good or not is unknown.

But here you are blabbing about the author needing writing lessons. Try reading the article


10 posted on 06/16/2011 5:02:06 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Prince of Space

i do no paperless billing. I mail every bill with a stamp.

Do not trust the cloud.

The clooud is not your information it is the clouds information and it is controlled by the cloud.


11 posted on 06/16/2011 5:46:46 AM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proved to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

The postal service should have taken heed of things to come with the innovation of the fax machine. Next came the internet and then came it’s obsolescence because it thought that it was the only game in town.

Worse yet, every time they increased postal rates, they actually stimulated the need for more and more business to be shifted away to the internet.

The postal service is a classic example of a governmental agency trying to even comprehend what a competitive, profit driven business is like.


12 posted on 06/16/2011 6:32:13 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Chickensoup

The Cloud, from a freedom perspective, is very interesting. People are willingly giving all their personal information to people who have no real motivation to keep it private, and a lot of motivation to mine it.


13 posted on 06/16/2011 6:51:31 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

The cloud is for the stupid in my opinion.


14 posted on 06/16/2011 6:57:48 AM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proved to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: DH

The very name “electronic mail” came from the Post Office’s attempt to enter the nascent internet age with “e-fax and email” machines which for a while were in the lobbies of the PO’s.

But, if you had only one machine, you then had a line, and a lack of convenience and these things died quickly in the face of the laptop and portability and... wireless.

There are 3 unions at the USPS— the mail carrier, the people behind the storefront (the clerks) AND the people you never see— the people who sort the mail in back. The latter group went wild when zip codes were introduced and then later the Linear Sorting Machine.. the LSM was part of a long history of addressing volume increases mostly in first class mail.

Those interested should contrast this unionized govt. subsidized system with obambi’s comments on ATMs and jobs— the unions of the Postal Service are one of the most classic Marxist line unions there are... and the Postal Inspectors have to/had to keep an eye on them for espionage and for theft.

Post Office automation history.

http://inventors.about.com/od/mstartinventions/a/PostalMechanization.htm


15 posted on 06/16/2011 7:09:48 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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16 posted on 06/16/2011 8:00:20 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: count-your-change

Why should junk mail get a reduced rate and then the post office have to beg for money? The cheaper rate is thus subsidized.


Junk mail is cheaper because it is BULK. It is pre-sorted, and cheaper to process and deliver, unlike your one birthday card to Grandma.


17 posted on 06/16/2011 8:16:37 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (End the "Fiscal Fiasco" in 2012!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
A key root cause of this problem is the legal postal service monopoly on first class mail. The justification for this monopoly is allegedly to ensure that all Americans everywhere have access to the postal service for a flat rate. That is a worthy enough goal and support of a postal service is actually authorized by the constitution.

But legal monopolies are enemies to competition and the innovation which they foster. A logical interim step would be to sub-license territories for the postal service, creating a bunch of new realistically priced jobs to replace the outmoded overpriced union jobs.

A densely populated area like New York, for instance, could probably hire kids on bicycles or motor scooters to deliver mail for a dime a letter, returning 34 cents to the system for early retirement buyouts and such.

A subcontractor in a less densely populated area would probably be able to return somewhat less than 34 cents per letter. But the concept is the same-- a cheaper delivery system which most subcontractors can actually make money on and return a little extra to the USPS to phase out their dinosaur model.

Then you get down to the really sparsely populated areas where some postal union clerk is probably only doing one hour or less of actual work per day even if the post office is open eight hours and paid at the handsome USPS rate. Subcontract their function to the local grain elevator or cafe or gas station which everyone in town drives through on their way to work, shop or whatever everyday anyway. You don't need daily delivery to your front door anymore. Give these people a post office box in a secure building down the road. The people drive by anyway. The businesses could use the extra traffic stopping to maybe buy a 6-pack, fill their gas tank or whatever when they are picking up their mail.

18 posted on 06/16/2011 10:52:31 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Spktyr
Uh, you *save* the file, not print it out.
Uh right. I prefer a paper copy. You've never lost files on your P.C.? I don't lose hard copies.
19 posted on 06/16/2011 12:02:57 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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I don’t lose files from my computer - not only do I have automatic backups, I make periodic manual backups to optical media.

Paper copies can get lost, damaged by water or gnawed on by household pets.


20 posted on 06/16/2011 1:16:56 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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