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Putnam County man mauled by pit bulls dies (Florida)
St. Augustine Record ^ | June 16, 2011 | swampsniper

Posted on 06/16/2011 2:31:39 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER

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To: Salamander

I was going to post the jape before the article was posted, but that proved problematic.


61 posted on 06/16/2011 11:40:11 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (I fight gangs for local charities and stuff.)
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To: Justa

“And what is this animals-before-people PETA crap?”

Do not *even* attempt that hackneyed straw man argument.

Everyone bloody well knows that I am -neither- and trying to portray me as such is a fool’s errand.

“These dogs have been bred for attack for centuries”

No, they have not.
Repeating a lie does not make it a fact.

“In my town every socially insecure loser with an IQ below 100 has one because they’re incapable of articulating and defending themselves using their language and mental skills.”

Sounds like you live in Obamaland.

“Please, show us the news stories of Pit Bulls saving lives as opposed to mounting evidence against all the MORON owners who are incapable and unwilling to control these attack dogs? Must we license owners on proper training, care and handling of these dogs? Is the dog’s behavior that inherently dangerous?”

Two seconds on Google brought this up:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/steve-dale-pet-world/2010/04/the-kindness-of-a-stranger-is-a-pit-bull.html

[there’s tons more...you have fingers...search for it yourself]

“Automobiles and guns don’t kill people on their own yet both are regulated.”

Yeah.
And look how well that’s turned out for us.
Thanks for inadvertently making my nanny-state point.
More regulation is *just* what we need.

“But a potentially deadly animal is loose in a neighborhood and there are no restriction?”

There are both leash and license laws in place.
They need to be enforced instead of making new laws.
[heh...paraphrased that from the pro-gun lobby]

“Lemme guess, you’re a pit owner, never use a leash and walk it on other peoples’ lawns, around their kids, etc because ~he’s-never-done-anything-to-you~ ?”

Nope, nope and nope.

Don’t have a pit.
Always have my dogs in ~their~ locked yard or on a leash in public.

[feel silly for “guessing”, now?]

“Yeah, maybe it is the owners but it’s a lot simpler to regulate their access to dangerous equipment than to elevate their consideration and responsibility in society.”

Yes.

Screw personal responsibility.

Let’s all just bend over and take one for the loser team.

*sigh*

Now I truly understand how ever-more-draconian gun laws slither in under the radar...it’s “simpler” than fighting them.


63 posted on 06/16/2011 11:42:35 AM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Wise guy.

:)


64 posted on 06/16/2011 11:44:04 AM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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To: arbooz
I was dragged in forcefully and against my will.

;D

65 posted on 06/16/2011 11:48:22 AM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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To: Salamander

And thanks for reminding me of the word ‘jape’, btw.


66 posted on 06/16/2011 12:07:28 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (I fight gangs for local charities and stuff.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

You’re welcome, you mischievous jackanape, you....:)


67 posted on 06/16/2011 12:11:15 PM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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To: Salamander
Well without #4 (unrealistic expectation of passivity) we wouldn't have the dog(s) running loose (#2) - without #4 we wouldn't have a large aggressive breed of dog (#1) being treated as if it were your average harmless fuzzball - without #4 the previous acts of aggression (#3) would have been dealt with such that there never would be another incident.

I agree that #4 is the bigee.

I see #4 all too often among Pit Bull owners, as might be expected considering the attacks upon them and their breed.

Much like MJ smokers were put off by insane illogical scare tactics like “Reefer Madness” so much that they insist a major drug is absolutely harmless - the crusade against Pit Bulls has made many an owner reject utterly any suggestion that they own a large and aggressive breed of dog.

Even after the dog has proven it was aggressive - there is always some excuse - but rarely any effort to make sure such doesn't EVER happen again.

68 posted on 06/16/2011 12:30:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Salamander

“Now I truly understand how ever-more-draconian gun laws slither in under the radar...it’s “simpler” than fighting them.”

Gun laws? Guns don’t walk the neighborhood and shoot people on their own. Same with pools, hot dogs and everything else you mentioned.

The “dogs don’t kill people owners do” reasoning is purely absurd. The owners in these stories are rarely present or directing their dog to attack. The dogs do it on their own, on instinct.

It’s more aptly described as “owners can’t stop pit bulls from killing people”. Therefore whether by regulation or extermination the breed should not be available.

It is like any other public threat which kills, they are not humans. We do the same with other dangerous animals, stuck accelerators, improperly stored chemicals, explosives, etc. A civil society removes the threat.


69 posted on 06/16/2011 1:06:19 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Salamander

No doubt that a seasoned hunter can have a lapse in discipline but that is not the point...the point is, dear child, that there is not one gun out there that can pull the trigger all on its own.


70 posted on 06/16/2011 1:27:43 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Havisham
And don’t tell me what to read

then remain ignorant...I don't care...

71 posted on 06/16/2011 2:33:15 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Salamander

That’s what I thought you meant. :D


72 posted on 06/16/2011 2:44:34 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ready4Freddy

I am a Monty Python fan. Your post was in very poor taste. It’s not something to make fun of. I appreciate humor but the guy was killed.


73 posted on 06/16/2011 6:54:20 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Justa

“A civil society removes the threat”

And the nanny staters *always* decide what constitutes a threat.

Congratulations.

Here you are, an alleged conservative, pushing a liberal agenda.

The bottom line is, despite the attempts to deflect and deny, breed ban legislation ALL come from the same source; liberal animal groups such as peta.

They want NO domesticated animal ownership allowed and are just using the most “obvious” animals to to jump start their inevitable steamroller agenda.

It is emotional manipulation at its lowest form and a grim testimony to the expertise they posses in brainwashing the masses with ‘emotional trigger words’.

How could *anyone* “decent” possibly be against exterminating dogs who “kill babies and old people”?
[high hypocrisy, that, since they cheerfully support on-demand abortion and assisted suicide]

First they pick the “worst” offenders and once they’re ‘eradicated’, they _will_ slowly work their way through all the dog breeds until they finally reach their goal of *no* privately owned dogs allowed.

It astonishes me that supposedly smarter and more constitutionally aware ‘conservatives’ cannot see they’re being played for suckers.

“A civil society removes the threat”

Yes.
I’ve noticed that I can’t own any automatic ‘assault rifles’ and collectors will no longer be able to purchase M1 Garands.

Too much of a ‘threat’.

If you honestly cannot see the ideological correlation of *any* loss of private rights to own any particular possession, the liberals have won and this nation is doomed.

Personally, I will defend to the death the freedom of Americans to own whatever they can afford to buy, simply because they have [or should I say, *had*] the right to, even if it’s something I would *never* personally want, myself.

Those, however, who abuse that right and cause injury to others must be punished accordingly.

I used to wonder why some FReepers fled the US and now lives as ex-pats in another country.
I thought they were cowards to abandon the fight.

Now I understand that they’ve realized this country is doomed to being liberally legislated to death ‘for our own good’.

I, for one, -feel- the pot of water getting warmer.

Some, obviously, do not.

No one ever mentions the 800 pound gorilla in this particular room; exactly *whom* is responsible for owning the ~vast~ majority of these ‘dangerous dogs’?

Clue: they’re not Amish.

Address that.

[oh, wait...we’re not *allowed* to]


74 posted on 06/16/2011 9:38:10 PM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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To: wtc911

That “fact” surely must have come as quite a surprise to my dead 4th cousin and the boy who was killed by the gun on the nightstand.


75 posted on 06/16/2011 9:40:17 PM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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To: Vaquero

Unless you are a trained deprogrammer, trying to speak truth to the willfully brainwashed is pointless.

Like all bigots, they will believe what they -choose- believe, reality be damned.


76 posted on 06/16/2011 9:42:50 PM PDT by Salamander (I wear my sunglasses at night.)
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