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Posted on 06/17/2011 8:24:23 PM PDT by george76
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Contrast that to a Florida State Trooper's comment I witnessed when I was young[long before Noah came off the ark]. I was at a country restaurant, back then they were called truck stops or coffee shops.There was a State Tpooper at the counter drinking coffee. Thete was a family at one of the tables with a child that was misbehaving. The mother said to the child, " See that policeman over there? If you do not behave, I will get him to take you to jail." The Trooper said, "No I will not" and got off his stool and went over and picked the child up and held him in hs arms. He spoke to the patents and said, "We fight this all the time, please do not threaten your child with the police".
Why do we not insist on the same level of accountability for our Fed, State and Local law enforcement.
As a BTW, I am all for ending the ineffective and costly War on Drugs, and as a second good gesture, the War on Poverty. Both, IMHO, are vast wastes of taxpayer money which speak volumes of the gross inefficiency of government to “fix” anything.
Oh' come on now...what fun would that be not being able to use all their paramilitary toys by simply knocking on the door.
“I no longer care at all if idiot goon agents like these all get blown away raiding the wrong homes and terrorizing innocent people. In fact it might be the best thing for the country because it might make idiots like this go over their intelligence one or two more times and value their stupid lives a little more.”
Wrong! They will simply crack down even harder, go in with more weaponry blazing, killing more people and believe the entire time that they are justified because of all the “bad guys” that are shooting their agents when they come through the door.
Then again, maybe that’s what needed to arouse the citizenry.
FBI Special Agent Karen Springmeyer would not have been there 50 years ago.
One has to really question the tactics used by these JBT.
You are looking for "one" person supposedly in a house
So instead of surrounding the house with your 12 highly trained elite JBT's so that no one person can escape, you do a no knock dynamic entry with all types of potential negative outcomes instead of walking up to the door and announcing:
"This is the FBI, the house is surrounded, we have a warrant. Open the door"
Had the same thing happen to me and a couple of other cops at a greasy spoon years ago. Reamed the parents for it.
I arrested hundreds of people on all kinds of arrest warrants. Never pointed a weapon at a child and never kicked in a door to do it. One guy went around back and I knocked on the front door and stood to the side. If the suspect was a known badass there’d be two of us at the front and two at the back, and we’d knock at the door.
Denise Adams, 58, said seeing the red dots from the officers' targeting lasers crawl across her children's faces also has cost her faith in law enforcement.
That only means their guns were pointed directly at the children.
I wonder if they teach that intimation protocol at JBT training schools.
What type of bastard would do that?
Exactly. And the Men who were there would have had, along with all the authority, RESPONSABILITY for the Op. They would have been expected to protect the Constitution as well as society in the execution of their duties. None of those Men are likely even to have participated in a girly Op like this.
PC IS the feminization of a thing.
Even though we have never met, I respect you. You are what epitiomzed the police officers that I grew up around. That there are not more such as yourself is, in my opinion, a tragedy.
The way I look at it is not only were the police kicking down a door in direct violation of the Constitution, but it was a “foreign entity”, an arm of the govt of the US. They should have no police powers beyond Federal land. Now they work overseas, in any city, state and jurisdiction they damn well please. It is like the state Patrol in WA state. They used to patrol the freeways, and provide security for the legislature and governor. Now they are downtown in the cities, trolling for dollars to bring back to the treasury, in SUV’s no less. All the better to intimidate, and of course burn more gas while they idle and cruise their shifts.
Well thanks, but I just did what the older cops taught me to do. I taught the younger cops that way, as well, but as you stated, there were fewer and fewer that thought that way.
Then one day the academy said our primary mission was to survive to make it home everyday. And the quintessential american policeman became extinct.
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Back years ago I recall seeing an article in the Dallas Morning News to the effect that the Dallas PD kept a carpenter on staff for that very job. He was happy in his work, and well paid.
I no longer subscribe to newspapers, and seldom even read them anymore- but I do miss seeing little tidbits like that. I'll never forget the day when I saw my wife's ex-husband on the front page of the paper (he and another man had killed a couple of people out of sheer stupidity).
“Denise Adams, 58, said seeing the red dots from the officers’ targeting lasers crawl across her children’s faces also has cost her faith in law enforcement.”
I wonder how the “defend-law-enforcement-no-matter-what” crowd will justify this. Aiming at CHILDREN who have committed no crime?
Do these guys not believe in stakeouts anymore, or do they just go straight for the SWAT team switch.
I noticed this years ago.
I have expressed to my friends that I would be willing to trade US police officers, their discipline, training, and their rules of engagement, for US military personnel, their discipline, training, and their rules of engagement, (excepting Military Police), anytime.
In other words, put the police and their rules in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen with police rules, and put US Marines, Army, Navy, ect. on my home town streets with military rules. I'd be a lot more comfortable, everyday.
I know that it shades on some American values (no national police force), and some Constitutional fundamentals (quartering), but I've never met a Marine I distrusted or couldn't get along with, and they're supposed to hate me.
As for laws, there is not a single law, including those given us by God, that has not been abused by a government employee.
Ain’t gonna happen.
These guys have surprise, automatic weapons and body armor.
Unless the crooks (or a P.O.’d band of private citizens) stage an ambush, the cops are going to win every time.
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