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Stolen assault rifle found in home of ex-Marine killed by SWAT
kold.com ^ | 23 June 2011 | Mindy Blake

Posted on 06/23/2011 8:58:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog

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To: AFreeBird

I was just wondering myself if this might be a little piece of “surplus” Project Gunwalker material held back as a contingency........ I’m just sayin’....


61 posted on 06/23/2011 10:57:26 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: rogator

Horiuchi was at Ruby Ridge *and* Waco. I wonder where he’ll turn up next?


62 posted on 06/23/2011 11:03:45 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: dangus

Are you aware we have a court system? At all?

Do you know what a SEARCH warrant is for?

It is not a Search and DESTROY warrant.

If the warraent were for someone involved with weapons - WTF do you think they should have anticipated? Did they think he was going to have jelly doughnuts?

He has every right in the world to point a weapon at people smashing his door down.

You sound more out of it than the morons who murdered the man.


63 posted on 06/23/2011 11:16:17 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: calex59

I have your back.


64 posted on 06/23/2011 11:25:03 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: USNBandit

It’s not much of an article, but it’s the only one I could find on Google news covering the subject. IIRC, there was a gun found under the mattress. I don’t remember if it was a handgun or a rifle. If I had to guess I’d say the AR-15 is not the allegedly stolen weapon.


65 posted on 06/23/2011 11:25:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: smokingfrog

Guerena is a bad apple.

- was a bad apple.


66 posted on 06/23/2011 11:31:56 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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Wow... there sure are a lot of lies packed into rambling spittle laden posts on this thread. Most of which I note are verbatim talking points from the Ron Paul black helicopter crowd. I find it hilarious that so many people are emotionally invested in defending this piece of human filth, that now all they have to retreat to is "ITZ A CONSPIWACY!!!!!"

Let's look at just a few of these lies one at a time, shall we?

Are you totally stupid? Didn't you see the videos of the so called legal serving of the warrant? The knocked and waited 8 seconds or so before breaking in. His wife had seen armed men outside the house and told her husband, he armed himself as would any law abiding citizen who owned firearms(there is serious doubt he owned the rifle, his wife claimed at the time that the swat team threw it down next to him). He was sleeping, woken up out of a sound slumber, his wife tells him armed people are outside. I suppose you would simply let people break into your house without defending it.

His wife told investigators and 911 that she knew the SWAT were outside, that they identified themselves as SWAT, and that she heard the siren.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/c/8f/524/c8f5246a-8825-11e0-9f33-001cc4c002e0-revisions/4ddf3c9948269.pdf.pdf

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/0/95/5c1/0955c118-8826-11e0-a691-001cc4c002e0-revisions/4ddf3d458b682.pdf.pdf

This man did NOT fire and it is only their word that he aimed it at them. I have serious doubts about their story and the legitimacy of the weapon he supposedly had, he was an ex-marine he would not have simply stood there had he been armed.

1: The police do not have to wait until they are fired upon. Arizona law is clear. They are allowed to respond to what reasonably appears to be the imminent use of deadly force, with deadly force. 2: We don't just have "their word" we have the bullet strikes on his gun, which indicate that it had to have been pointed at them when they fired. (Oh wait, let me guess.... ITZ A CONSPIWACY!!!!!, AKA the last refuge of the stupid.)

Despite your stupidity this was a massacre of an innocent citizen. BTW, he was not involved in a stolen crime ring, that was BS made up to justify the shooting. He had relatives that were killed about 2 years ago by members of a stolen crime ring after they broke into his relatives house.

Wrong.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57183432/PCSO-Search-Warrant-Affidavit-Jose-Guerena-Shooting

The news media printed lies that made it seem like he was some how involved with the people who killed his sister.

Uh huh... it all goes back to that... "The CONSPIWACY!!!!"

Get your facts straight and also realize that all cops are not good people and that swat teams in particular think they have powers they simply do not possess, not legally.

Uh huh... cop-hating 101. AKA "When my lies are exposed on the internet, I just start rambling about 'bad cops' to try to save face..."

The warrant, btw, was not legal, it did not state the name of the person and place to be searched or what they were searching for. They have refused to release this warrant, the reason? So they could lie about it without fear of being called on it.

Wrong.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57183432/PCSO-Search-Warrant-Affidavit-Jose-Guerena-Shooting

One more thing, if this was such a legal shoot, why did they let him bleed out? Perhaps to keep him from talking?

Yeah... back to the "ITZ A CONSPIWACY!!!!"

What you are doing is called moving the goal posts. Prior to the SWAT video coming out, the spittle laden bloggers all said, 1. There was no knock, 2. They didn't announce themselves at all, 3. That there was no siren at all. 4. That there was no wait before making entry. 5. That he wasn't a criminal. Each one of these statements are a demonstrated lie. So what does the internet "master-debater" do? Yep, he tries to move the goalposts. Now, it is 1. Well they did knock, but it was too quiet. 2. They did announce, but a person sleeping couldn't hear it. 3. There was a siren but it sounded like a car alarm. 4. They did wait, but not long enough. 5. There is no proof he was a criminal.

Epic Failure.

67 posted on 06/23/2011 11:35:03 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Are you going for my Hitler title?

I may relinquish it because I don’t think I can top your post on the facts of this case and summation of the emotionally invested.


68 posted on 06/23/2011 11:41:33 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SouthTexas

This info should have been available within moments of running the serial numbers.


69 posted on 06/23/2011 11:43:33 PM PDT by healy61
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Probably so... after all, those who are emotionally invested in defending a piece of human garbage really don’t have anything other than the standard logical fallacies to resort to. “JBT”, “Hitler”, “They planted it” and other assorted ad hominem attacks and tinfoil hat conspiracy theories are the last refuge of those who have no facts to back up their rhetoric.

It’s all part of the entitlement “ITS ALL ABOUT ME!” culture that the internet breeds. People become emotionally invested in stories like this, without possessing all, or even a good portion of the facts. Thus, their small minds fill in the blanks in conformity with whatever twisted view of the world that they have.

Then when real facts begin to leak out, it all becomes part of a grand “conspiracy” because the facts make them look bad.

Oh well... it’s probably not even worth it. Nothing will convince those so invested in the reality of black helicopters, lizard people, and chemtrails that these things aren’t real. Reason is beyond them. It makes some people feel better about their lives to invent a reality that they can rant about on the internet rather than to fix the real problems that exist in the world.

Rather than tackle Obama appointing radical socialist homosexuals to the federal bench, or the NY Legislature trying to redefine a perversion as marriage, people will defend a criminal piece of filth so that they can attack the “JBTs” that they wish existed.


70 posted on 06/23/2011 11:51:30 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: All
This info should have been available within moments of running the serial numbers.

What on earth makes you think you were/are entitled to that information? Who are you to dictate the time-table that information like this is released?

71 posted on 06/23/2011 11:53:29 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Awesome and correct.

Your talents are wasted on FR.

LoL!


72 posted on 06/24/2011 12:05:12 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: freedomwarrior998

Just my thought. I have only read three articles on this. I have nothing invested in this. This was a search warrant that seems to have gone wrong. Heck, I have no idea what “JBT” means.


73 posted on 06/24/2011 12:10:05 AM PDT by healy61
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To: freedomwarrior998
I learned this yesterday about Jose:

The affidavit also reported that Guerena was the registered owner of six vehicles with a combined value of at least $105,385.

74 posted on 06/24/2011 12:27:17 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: healy61

Jack Boot Thug. Supposed modern day government Nazis.


75 posted on 06/24/2011 12:30:34 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: freedomwarrior998
Rather than tackle Obama appointing radical socialist homosexuals to the federal bench, or the NY Legislature trying to redefine a perversion as marriage, people will defend a criminal piece of filth so that they can attack the “JBTs” that they wish existed.

Proof please that criticism of the march of the gay agenda is exclusive of criticism of Democrat police departments that raise serious questions about their own competence or even good will -- to the point that a supposedly favorable report which arises later on is subject to severe skeptical scrutiny?

76 posted on 06/24/2011 2:52:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: freedomwarrior998
Rather than tackle Obama appointing radical socialist homosexuals to the federal bench, or the NY Legislature trying to redefine a perversion as marriage, people will defend a criminal piece of filth so that they can attack the “JBTs” that they wish existed.

P.S. you sound like the ticketed double-parking motorist asking the meter officer why he/she isn't chasing speeders. All in good time, chap, all in good time.

77 posted on 06/24/2011 2:55:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: smokingfrog

I believe that like I believe in AGW......................


78 posted on 06/24/2011 5:37:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: smokingfrog

BS!


79 posted on 06/24/2011 6:02:17 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Guilty until proven innocent?

That’s not the way it’s supposed to work.


80 posted on 06/24/2011 6:12:29 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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