Look, the police are clearly over the line in some regards and we all know it. Some of the new “permissions” by the courts in the last few years are clearly way over the line.
Just because you recognize it an others don’t, doesn’t mean that you are not a Conservative.
If you demand a close adherence to the U. S. Constitution you certainly are one.
Where I start going south on people is when they pick a case at random, and start going off on the police when there was clearly probably cause and Constitutional grounds.
The case mentioned above where the police noticed known gang members in a car and made a stop to cite the driver was a good case on point. You don’t take a pass on being able to check known gang members out. I don’t want a car full of armed gang members prowling my neighborhood at night. I doubt you do either.
There was a code violation. They made a reasoned stop.
Trying to make the case this was a Fourth Amendment violation makes the person leveling that charge look dim.
Its called a slippery slope and its the reason we are having this conversation to begin with...
There is no such thing as reasonable suspicion or probable cause anymore in law enforcement... the reality of it all is based more on testilying than anything else.
Doughtyone
I don’t want the Police empowered to do that. Instead I want no restrictions on the 2nd. I will take my chances.
I am aware that I chose an extreme example. That was not on accident. I chose that example to demonstrate my commitment to the 4th amendment.
I stand by the statement!
“There was a code violation. They made a reasoned stop.”
Your statement here is the crux of the debate. You think it is “OK” to stack the books full of reasons for the City, County, or State to intervene in daily activity. I see that threshold as much much higher. I see Freedom to be sacred and not to be trifled with. You, don’t really mind occasionally performing Proskynesis for the State on occasion.
You see routine code violations. You think it’s just fine to empower your government to micro manage people’s lives. I find it makes me ill. I want to vomit in a trashcan.
I demand FREEDOM and LIBERTY. They mean something real to me. To you, routine code violations are something you will support and vote for, and vote to fund. That is why I am not a modern conservative. I will not vote for, nor will I vote to fund the enforcement of chicken shiite micro managing of other people’s behavior. Seat belt laws, texting laws, hand free device laws, vehicle registration laws, 90% of the traffic laws.
As a society we could teach people how to drive cars. We don’t do that. We teach people to comply with laws. That way we have a society of incompetent drivers who need lots of laws. Everybody is in violation, so everybody can be stopped. That is the whole point of drivers licenses, and the the whole “driving is a privilege not a right”.
Traffic laws are used to subvert the 4th.