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'Project Gunrunner' Whistleblower Says ATF Sent Him Termination Notice
Fox News ^ | 06/27/2011 | Fox News

Posted on 06/27/2011 4:28:04 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is being accused of retaliating against an agent who helped publicize the agency’s role in allowing thousands of guns to cross the U.S. border and fall into the hands of Mexican drug gangs.

The agent, Vince Cefalu, who has spoken out about the ATF's so-called "Project Gunrunner" scandal, says he was served with termination papers just last week, and he calls the move politically motivated.

“Aside from Jay Dobyns, I don't know of anyone that's been more vocal about ATF mismanagement than me,” said Cefalu, a senior special agent based in Dublin, Calif. “That's why this is happening.” Dobyns, an ATF special agent based in Tucson, has appeared several times on Fox News to discuss the scandal.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arrestholder; atf; banglist; batf; corruptsobs; fastandfurious; ffgate; gunwalker; gunwalkergate; holder; impeachoabama; issa; losesjob; whistleblower

1 posted on 06/27/2011 4:28:08 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Seems to be par for the course.

Protect the corrupt cops and punish the good ones.


2 posted on 06/27/2011 4:28:56 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I’d argue there aren’t any good ones left in the ATF. They are all part of a corrupt system. Sure this guy has done some good by reporting these actions. Another story says he got in trouble a while back for refusing to use information from illegal wiretaps.

He didn’t report the wiretaps, just refused to use ‘em.


3 posted on 06/27/2011 4:34:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Obama is not allowing the ATF head to talk to Congress.

This is HUGE.


4 posted on 06/27/2011 4:34:50 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Be respectful, be courteous , have a plan to kill every flash mob member that threatens you & others)
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To: driftdiver

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-05-28/politics/atf.whistleblowers.ties_1_atf-special-agent-deputy-director?_s=PM:POLITICS


5 posted on 06/27/2011 4:36:50 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Melson has been invited to appear on Capitol Hill, but has not yet been granted permission from the Justice Department to do so.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/25/atf-director-melson-reportedly-resisting-pressure-to-step-down/#ixzz1QPMU0H5K


6 posted on 06/27/2011 4:38:45 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Be respectful, be courteous , have a plan to kill every flash mob member that threatens you & others)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

ok he did report the wiretaps.

He’s still spent 30 years stomping on the Constitution. They should all be digging ditches in southern Mississippi.


7 posted on 06/27/2011 4:39:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: NoLibZone
Obama is not allowing the ATF head to talk to Congress.

If this is true it just supports King Obama is a communists black Muslim.

8 posted on 06/27/2011 4:50:05 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: NoLibZone

Obama is not allowing the ATF head to talk to Congress.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Obama thinks that Congress is full of knuckle under wimps.

He may be right. We will have to see. Congress could have Obama on this one, BIG TIME.Impeachment is a very good word.


9 posted on 06/27/2011 4:50:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quorintessentia_1.html)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

With a half way competent lawyer & copies of the documents that he has already turned over to Congress plus copies of Congressional testimony before Issa’s & Grassley’s committees this guy wont have to work another day of his life .

Sadly the idiots that are trying to screw with him will not be fired but instead will most likely get a promotion.


10 posted on 06/27/2011 5:02:50 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Candor7
I agree....I think this is HUGE. From the beginning of this story I felt it could be the one thing to bring this creep down. But, unfortunately, I have felt this way about several stories re: Obama in the last 3 years. Nothing ever comes of these things. It is disheartening.

I was hoping Issa would get the job done with investigations with real teeth. I sure haven't seen much results.

11 posted on 06/27/2011 5:03:17 PM PDT by Pigsley
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12 posted on 06/27/2011 5:04:48 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Pigsley

Gunwalker equals Watergate times Iran/Contra.

And the MSM is in coverup mode with the scoundrels!


13 posted on 06/27/2011 5:08:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I thought that there was a whistleblower law that prevented companies and agencies from retaliating against people who revealed illegal activity by the company.


14 posted on 06/27/2011 5:14:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There is also a Constitution that prevents armed agents of the state from violating our civil rights, but...


15 posted on 06/27/2011 5:41:16 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Pigsley

IMHO, Issa likes to huff and puff and swagger around, but when the chips are down he whimps out. Granted, he’s the only one with the stones to take it THIS far, but getting to the point where we all know what a criminal activity it was, but not even being able to get any of the perps to appear before Congress strikes me as pretty whimpy.

I believe there are legal tools he could use to COMPEL things to happen, but for unknown reasons, won’t use them. If something of this magnitude is permitted to be swept under the rug, the Country is done-for!


16 posted on 06/27/2011 5:55:14 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39
I believe there are legal tools he could use to COMPEL things to happen, but for unknown reasons, won’t use them.

Back room deals. DC is corrupt, our Federal Government is corrupt.

17 posted on 06/27/2011 6:03:50 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Tucker39
"I believe there are legal tools he could use to COMPEL things..."

There is the Extradition Treaty we have with Mexico. They (Mexico) have Capital Crimes that are connected with Fast & Furious.

18 posted on 06/27/2011 8:07:34 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Nachum; 444Flyer; Munz

ping


19 posted on 06/28/2011 11:04:20 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

It is like WalpinGate but even worse.I didn’t think it could get worse than that!


20 posted on 06/28/2011 11:07:25 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

There is more and more tyranny over the good people.


21 posted on 06/28/2011 11:29:45 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is a foreigner. He occupies the office fraudulently. His SSN belongs to another person.)
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To: NoLibZone
Obama is not allowing the ATF head to talk to Congress.

This is HUGE.

Not that I disbelieve you, but where did you hear this?

News reports last week had Melson resigning “soon”, but then other reports surfaced that he was not going to be the fall guy.

Do you have any updates on this? I want to know when to get the popcorn ready to watch the fireworks, cause it sounds like it’s going to be a really big shue.

22 posted on 06/28/2011 11:31:39 AM PDT by HammerT (Buy them so they CAN'T Ban them!)
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To: HammerT
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/25/atf-director-melson-reportedly-resisting-pressure-to-step-down/#ixzz1QPMU0H5K

"Melson has been invited to appear on Capitol Hill, but has not yet been granted permission from the Justice Department to do so. "

23 posted on 06/28/2011 11:41:09 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Be respectful, be courteous , have a plan to kill every flash mob member that threatens you & others)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

How about a contempt of Congress citation, accompanied by indefinite jail time and fines against the individual(s) who signed the termination memo. Then work thru the chaff of the underlings to get to the top of who ordered this be done?


24 posted on 06/28/2011 12:11:04 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (ual)
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To: Deaf Smith
They (Mexico) have Capital Crimes that are connected with Fast & Furious.

Huh? Explain to me how then can be even such a concept as "a capital crime", in a nation with no death penalty? The very term means a crime punishable by death...

the infowarrior

25 posted on 06/28/2011 12:36:26 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior
The example to use is Texas. For Capital Felony, we have either the death penaly or life with out parole.

Capital Felony [Tex. Penal Code Ann. § 12.31]
If the individual is found guilty and the state seeks the death penalty:
• Imprisonment in the institutional division for life without the possibility of parole, or
• Death
If the individual is found guilty and the state does not seek the death penalty:
• Imprisonment in the institutional division for life without the possibility of parole
• However, a certified juvenile is no longer eligible for life without parole.

)*Not everyone convicted of Capital Murder in Texas gets Death Row.

26 posted on 06/28/2011 2:19:24 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith
)*Not everyone convicted of Capital Murder in Texas gets Death Row.

True, but I stand by my point. *MEXICO* doesn't have a death penalty. Thus there can be *no* 'capital cases' within Mexico's legal jurisdiction, which was what was implied. Utterly impossible...

the infowarrior

27 posted on 06/28/2011 2:29:56 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: NoLibZone

Sorry, I missed that part. Hopefully something good will come of this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/27/atf-head-kenneth-melson-to-testify-before-congress-on-operation-fast-and-furious.html


28 posted on 06/28/2011 3:04:29 PM PDT by HammerT (Buy them so they CAN'T Ban them!)
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To: infowarrior
I could not find the classifications of Homicide in Mexico through various search engines.

I do have Black's Law Dictionary (hard copy cir 1990) that states:
"Capital case or crime. One in or for which death penalty may, but need not necessarily, be imposed".

When SCOTUS abolished the Death Penalty in Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 153 (1972), Texas did not have life with out parole in the penal code thus those on Death Row were paroled after X number of years served. Life With Out Parole was added to the Penal Code for Capital Murder though the death penalty was abolished by the supremes.

See: Henry Lee Lucas.

*Life With Out Parole was later changed to 60 years minimum.

When Mexico abolished the death penalty, did they abolish the crime classification? If so, what term replaced it?

29 posted on 06/28/2011 4:08:25 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith
When Mexico abolished the death penalty, did they abolish the crime classification?

In essence, they did so, whether 'officially', or not. Your Black's Law Dictionary is correct. A capital case is one where the death penalty *may* be imposed, whether or not it actually is. Absent a death penalty to impose, then there cannot, by definition, be a 'capital case' which was my point all along...

the infowarrior

30 posted on 06/28/2011 4:13:14 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior

I’ll let Black’s Law know that infowarrior gave them affirmation of their dictionary. /s


31 posted on 06/28/2011 6:17:11 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: NoLibZone

The DOJ having to give Melson ‘permission’ to testify especially if it is true that he refuses to resign or be ‘the fall guy’ is grounds enough for impeachment of the Obama Admin and Justice dept. for obstructing justice-for starters.And now a whistle blower being fired is appalling shocking news that should be breaking news with bell whistles and sirens.


32 posted on 06/29/2011 5:55:20 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Well, I dunno...

Seems to me I’d be reluctant to have much sympathy for someone who used to be on the inside of this agency...

Just because they blew the whistle on an operation approved by some very high-up on the food chain types, because it was an absolute pathetic use of time, money and resources, for at best questionable and very open to manipulation (results) data...And the excuse they gave us as to what they could do with it against already known drug cartel members was assinine...

Maybe I’d shake the guys hand for tooting the whistle on this one, but I still don’t trust them to be a WalMart Parking security guard...

A little off-topic, but I have three agencies I would love to eliminate with extreme prejudice if given the chance...

Obviously the BATFE, then the TSA, and last but not least, the IRS...Take those out without delay, and all the others ones that take up space can be eliminated in due time...

I just believe Americans as a whole would benefit tremendously from not having those particular agencies exist anymore...

Imagine the savings???


33 posted on 06/29/2011 8:54:04 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Pigsley

This is a repeat of the 90s. Vince Foster, Whitewater, Waco, ect. They all lead to the Lewinsy scandal and Impeachment. Was Clinton held accountable for his crimes?

This is why I keep telling people these hearings are a bad joke on US.

The democrats are having their own hearings today with Chuck Schumer (the ATF’s main supporter for Waco) and they are going to discuss more gun control.


34 posted on 06/30/2011 6:07:12 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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