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Dutch Jews 'Fearful' After Shechita Ban
Baltimore Jewish Life ^ | 6/29/11 | Chana Ya'ar

Posted on 06/29/2011 8:40:45 AM PDT by Nachum

Dutch Jews are beginning to wonder what's coming next after the lower house of the Netherlands parliament voted Tuesday to approve a ban on ritual slaughter of animals for kosher and halal meat. The bill, sponsored by the country's Animal Rights Party, stipulates that livestock must be stunned before slaughter.

In Jewish law, meat must by prepared through ritual slaughter before it can be declared kosher. Likewise, Islam requires similar procedures for halal meat but does not prohibit slaughter after stunning. A possible loophole in the new law – which has yet to pass the upper house of the parliament -- allows religious groups to continue the practice of ritual slaughter, if they can prove it is no more painful than stunning.

According to greater Netherlands Chief Rabbi Binyomin Jacobs, who was interviewed by INN several months ago on anti-Semitism in Holland, many Jews have called to ask what the future holds, given the fact that such a law could pass.

"Old people are scared, and young people who are just married are calling me to ask if they should stay here. Today it is the shechita and tomorrow, what? Circumcision? People are afraid," Jacobs told the Reuters news agency.

"This is very painful," Jacobs noted. "Those who survived the [second world] war remember the very first law made by the Germans in Holland was the banning of shechita, or the Jewish way of slaughtering animals."

Although regulations in the European Union require stunning of animals prior to slaughter, exceptions are allowed for ritual slaughter. According to the European Court of Human Rights, production and purchase of ritually slaughtered meat is a religious right.

Nevertheless, a number of Scandinavian and other European countries have banned ritual slaughter, including Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg and Switzerland. Activists in Switzerland are also working to secure a ban on the import of halal and kosher meat -- a fallback plan that both Jews and Muslims might be forced to rely upon, should the Dutch ban pass in the upper house of parliament as well.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dutch; fearful; jews; shechita
Time to leave
1 posted on 06/29/2011 8:40:48 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Poisoning the well of animal welfare[Spengler]
2 posted on 06/29/2011 8:44:21 AM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: Nachum

Better to specify humane means of slaughter. There’s no question that ritual Jewish and Muslim slaughter are often cruel in practice.

The animal’s torso should be restrained and supported, and the slaughter out of sight and sound from the waiting animals.

Hoisting a living steer by its hind legs, or wrestling a goat to the ground and cutting its throat in the presence of the other goats, IS cruel.

People who support kosher slaughter like to maintain that God ordained it because unconsciousness is instant and death is humane. Well, what proceeds unconsciousness and death is often not humane. Modern practices can improve that, and still be consistent with kosher slaughter.


3 posted on 06/29/2011 8:58:18 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Nachum

if you read “shechita” in Wikipedia, it sounds at least as humane as was practiced by farmers in America for centuries.
(and mostly animal rights people are leftist tools.)

however, i strongly object to Islamic “halal” meat not being labeled.
it very often isn’t.
and christians don’t know that it is meat that has been killed in the name of Allah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_and_Jewish_dietary_laws_compared
“Dhabiha requires that God’s name be pronounced before each slaughter.[15]”
“Dhabiha meat by definition is meat that is slaughtered in the shariah manner and the name of Allah (swt) is said before the slaughter. “

“Eat not of that (meat) on which Allah’s Name has not been pronounced.” [Al-Inaam 6:121]


4 posted on 06/29/2011 9:03:44 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Nachum

Exactly, it turns the stomach to think of it, the images of the ‘30’s all over again. Get out now.


5 posted on 06/29/2011 9:19:03 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Trying to rebuild America on pure conservative principles)
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To: Nachum
That is what I was thinking. Time to go home. I expect this to occur in all of Europe and eventually the US.

Hashem wants us home.

6 posted on 06/29/2011 9:21:06 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Nachum

Sure. They can move to San Francisco.


7 posted on 06/29/2011 9:22:56 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Nachum

Hitler had a propaganda film showing showing how “evil Jews” were engaging in ritual slaughter of animals for kosher meat too. Nothing more than another form of “justification” for their persecution.

Same play, different actors.


8 posted on 06/29/2011 9:23:51 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: heartwood

So you’re saying the need to be humane to animals outweighs the right to practice one’s faith in accordance with traditions and conscience ? I rather think not. . .


9 posted on 06/29/2011 9:24:36 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Nachum

I suppose they will outlaw abortions after the first trimester next, since the fetus can experience pain.

No?

Why not?


10 posted on 06/29/2011 9:33:47 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (To ACLU & its plaintiffs: Stop dragging the public into your personal struggle w/ God. -Mark Baisley)
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To: Albion Wilde
Why not?

(a) Because some animals are more equal than others.

(b) Because Moloch wants dead babies, not leg-of-lamb with mint jelly.

11 posted on 06/29/2011 9:36:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I should be, but I'm not.)
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To: Elendur

“Dhabiha requires that God’s name be pronounced before each slaughter.[15]”

So when the moslem swine slaughter a person by sawing off his head as they bleat “allahu akbar”, does this make the victim “halal” and/or give the act of murder some sort of religious sanction?

Is an “infidel” a person or an animal?


12 posted on 06/29/2011 9:48:56 AM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Nachum

Get rid of all the Jews, Holland! Get rid of all those doctors, scientists, artists, etc. Why not? You’ll be left with all those brilliant Moslims who will happily fill those empty job slots.

Meanwhile, Dutch Jews, come to Israel or America.


13 posted on 06/29/2011 9:49:56 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein
Meanwhile, Dutch Jews, come to Israel or America.

If they come to the US and vote Democrat, can we make them go back to Europe? We don't need any more Jewish voters who hate Israel just like Moslems do.

14 posted on 06/29/2011 9:51:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I should be, but I'm not.)
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To: Elendur
however, i strongly object to Islamic “halal” meat not being labeled. it very often isn’t. and christians don’t know that it is meat that has been killed in the name of Allah:

That would be meat "sacrificed to idols," no?

15 posted on 06/29/2011 9:54:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Nachum

Ach, so, mein Feuhrer. At last, a way to make the Juden WANT to create a JudenRein Europe. And without firing a shot!
One question..how much do with sell the ExitVisa for?


16 posted on 06/29/2011 10:39:50 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: Nachum

any excuse to get Muslims to leave the country?


17 posted on 06/29/2011 11:19:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tax-chick

I’m sure these Jews will be going to Israel if they leave Holland at all. I don’t believe these poor Jews are anti-Israel. And why should they come here when both the right and left are turning on them?


18 posted on 06/29/2011 3:06:46 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein

I’ve no reason to assume any Jewish person is anti-Israel, or anti-Jewish survival, until he or she votes for a Leftist political party.


19 posted on 06/29/2011 3:36:00 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I should be, but I'm not.)
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To: Nachum
"Old people are scared, and young people who are just married are calling me to ask if they should stay here. Today it is the shechita and tomorrow, what? Circumcision? People are afraid,"

Maybe Democrat American Jews - the ones who backed Obama throwing Israel under the bus - can teach Netherland's Jews how to live in a delusional state of denial...

20 posted on 06/29/2011 3:41:30 PM PDT by GOPJ (Black flash mobs: street level reflections of elite liberal hate for middle class America..)
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To: Tax-chick

My point is that we are talking about Dutch Jews - not American Jews - who are under attack from the Dutch government concerning the Kosher killing of animals and circumcision. They’d be crazy to be anti-Israel. I have no idea what party Dutch Jews support.

On second thought, I hope they all go to Israel. I wish they would come here but I think America is turning against Jews and Israel. I blame Obama’s government and academia.

P.S.: We are already seeing hostility toward circumcision - I’m sure the Kosher killing of animals will be next, if it hasn’t started already. Anybody who has ever had a Kosher chicken (or as my mother calls it “a Jewish chicken” doesn’t know what they’re missing!!)


21 posted on 06/29/2011 4:09:45 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein

My daughter always buys Hebrew National hot dogs ;-).

I’ve read of opposition to Jewish slaughter practices in the US, but I don’t know that any laws have actually been passed. Maybe in a few cities?

I think the Obama Administration is a big problem, but the G.W. Bust administration wasn’t as supportive of Israel as I would have liked.


22 posted on 06/29/2011 4:30:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I should be, but I'm not.)
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To: Salgak

Au contraire, mon ami. It is entirely possible to ensure that both unconsciousness and death follow from the throat cutting, and that the animal is positioned so that gravity will drain the blood, without actually hoisting it upside down by its hind feet. See Temple Grandin. Also see the videos of kosher slaughter from Argentina, for how it’s done badly - the shochet (sp?) does not always manage one clean cut. That would be easier if the animal were properly restrained, and not terrified and struggling.

As for Islamic slaughter, that’s so often amateur hour. It’s feast day, kiddies, let’s go jump on some goats and get covered with blood.


23 posted on 06/29/2011 6:08:53 PM PDT by heartwood
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