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Illegal immigration crackdown impacts harvests [Georgia]
CBS News ^ | July 1, 2011 | Mark Strassman

Posted on 07/02/2011 12:52:33 PM PDT by La Enchiladita

WRAY, Ga., - One of the toughest laws yet to fight illegal immigration went into effect today in Georgia. A federal judge has temporarily blocked the most controversial provision - requiring police to check the immigration status of suspects who don't have proper identification.

But it is now a felony to use false documentation to apply for a job. CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann says Georgia farmers have been anticipating this day, and the law is already having a big effect.

In south Georgia, it's a banner year for blackberries - but a bad year for berry farmer Gary Paulk.

"There's a lot of what appear to be good berries," Paulk said. "If we had the workers."

On one corner of this family farm, twenty acres of blackberries rot away.

"This is a healthy field. And it should have been picked," Paulk said. "But there's nobody here."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: agribusiness; aliens; farmers; georgia; georgiaberries; illegalimmigration; lazyfarmers
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I thought peanuts were the big crop in Georgia. Oh well...

I prefer blackberries picked from old vines growing wild alongside the road.

1 posted on 07/02/2011 12:52:37 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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And then they save this for the last paragraph:

We wanted to know more about how Georgia's immigration law came about. The governor's office told us today the state had to impose the law in its own defense. The state estimates illegal immigrants cost Georgia taxpayers more than $2 billion a year. Most of that to pay for the schooling and medical bills of their children.

So much for cheap labor, eh? Come on, you high school and college kids, get out there and pick!

2 posted on 07/02/2011 12:54:24 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (It should be illegal for illegals to play with matches... just sayin'...)
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To: La Enchiladita

Maybe he should try to hire some people instead of just sitting on his arse and complaining. Probably can’t though because he wants to pay under the table so he can save some money.


4 posted on 07/02/2011 12:57:12 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: La Enchiladita

Blackberry cobbler! YUM!!


5 posted on 07/02/2011 12:57:25 PM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: La Enchiladita

Gary,
Perhaps if you paid a decent wage you would get Americans to pick your crops. You want to pay illegals a low wage to keep your overhead down instead. I’m willing to pay more in the store for crops raised, picked, and packaged by Americans.


6 posted on 07/02/2011 12:57:55 PM PDT by Train Collector (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: La Enchiladita

God forbid you have to pay 6 bucks an hour now...


7 posted on 07/02/2011 12:58:17 PM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: La Enchiladita

And with all that warning, they still were not able to pay enough to hire unemployed Americans more than willing to pick berries. Of course, legal workers would expect the legal minimum wage. But paying that would be too burdensome.


8 posted on 07/02/2011 12:58:53 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: La Enchiladita

I don’t understand - even by the low-ball official Federal Government figures, 9.9% of Georgia “workers” are unemployed. Is that not enough folks to pick the darned blackberries? Hello... its better than being a leech and drawing a check from the government for NOT working.

Come on folks - get off your butts and work. And of course, the figures above don’t even include the unemployed who are not looking for work, have dropped off the rolls, or who never have really worked - and just sit on their butts and do nothing while drawing a check.

It doesn’t take a college degree to pick blackberries. The last time the US economy was this bad - folks would gladly line up around the block just for the opportunity to pick these blackberries (or peanuts, or whatever work could be had). What’s the difference? That was before the government have over 50% of the population a check every month.


9 posted on 07/02/2011 12:58:56 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: noblejones

“Of course, they weren’t cheap sh*t, slave-loving democrats either.”

Or Republicans.


10 posted on 07/02/2011 1:00:06 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Racer1

Agribusiness is whining big time to the media, because they know the favorable spin they will get. Hey, does that new bill impose penalties on employers of illegals??? I wonder, hmmmm...?????


11 posted on 07/02/2011 1:00:39 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (It should be illegal for illegals to play with matches... just sayin'...)
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To: La Enchiladita

Put the section 8 to work or short time jail inmates!


12 posted on 07/02/2011 1:00:45 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Well then let us bring back chain gangs, the prisoners are costing a lot as well, put them to work.


13 posted on 07/02/2011 1:01:13 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: La Enchiladita

Decent wages attract decent people.

Am I willing to pay more at the grocery store? You’re damned straight I do. Employ my fellow citizens, and I’ll pay you what the berries are worth, including their wages.


14 posted on 07/02/2011 1:02:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Muslim Brotherhood (renames itself) the Liberty and Justice Party. NOT A JOKE.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Echoes from the past. The same reasons were given by cotton farmers in order to argue against freeing the blacks. Seems like we got beyond that crisis.


15 posted on 07/02/2011 1:03:12 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: La Enchiladita

Just think the money these guys would save sending these jerks home. They could afford to pay a decent salary and it would save the taxpayer them included a nice chunk of change.


16 posted on 07/02/2011 1:03:57 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: La Enchiladita

So, if a farming community was using felons (unconvicted felons, that is - sort of like those who in the West Wing) - and they got arrested, I’m supposed to be concerned that this impacts harvests?


17 posted on 07/02/2011 1:04:09 PM PDT by Da Coyote (?)
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To: La Enchiladita

Sounds like progress to me.


18 posted on 07/02/2011 1:05:47 PM PDT by struggle
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To: noblejones
Of course, they weren’t cheap sh*t, slave-loving democrats either.

Profanity: How small minds try to speak with strength?

19 posted on 07/02/2011 1:06:23 PM PDT by don-o (Please say a prayer for FReeper Just Lori. RIP)
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To: La Enchiladita
Come on, you high school and college kids, get out there and pick!

The youth unemployment rate is between 25-50%.

With young people, you teach work ethic and responsibility. With illegals, you get another generation of berry pickers and a culture that produces every social pathology under the sun.

I keep wondering why farmers don't just use mechanical harvesters?

20 posted on 07/02/2011 1:06:39 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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I'm amazed SeeBS used "illegal" in the title, ... surely an editorial oversight.

(And stop calling me Shirley.)

21 posted on 07/02/2011 1:06:44 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: La Enchiladita

I wonder if he has tried advertising a “pick your own” approach. He would get more per pint than the produce buyers would give him and wouldn’t have to pay anyone to do the picking.


22 posted on 07/02/2011 1:07:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TexasRedeye
The same reasons were given by cotton farmers in order to argue against freeing the blacks.

Good point. Thank yew!!

23 posted on 07/02/2011 1:09:01 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (It should be illegal for illegals to play with matches... just sayin'...)
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To: Da Coyote

Get all those high-paid nitwits with dumbass job titles who work in the White House, all 565 of ‘em, and ship ‘em down there to do real work.

Say, isn’t Moo-shell an advocate of getting out and gardening....??? Send her too!!


24 posted on 07/02/2011 1:11:32 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (It should be illegal for illegals to play with matches... just sayin'...)
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To: Train Collector

You thought the Mexican - American War was over in 1848, but nooooooooooo. They changed tactics. We won the first battles but we will lose the war. They are infiltrating the USA with people who work harder, for longer hours, for less money and have 5 children to our 1. At the current rate they will be 51% of the population in 75 years and you better speak Spanish because they do not want to learn English.

Their loyalties are to God, family, Mexico in that order. Loyalty to the USA is not even in the top 10.

Mourn the decline and fall of the USA as we knew it because it is going, going, gone! It will be their USA with pigs, dogs and roosters in every yard and non Spanish speaking need not apply. (Of course that last part is pretty much true right now throughout the Southwest, if you do not speak Spanish it is tough to get a job there, very tough.)


25 posted on 07/02/2011 1:12:46 PM PDT by Any Fate But Submission (How Long Can You Tread Water)
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To: La Enchiladita

How about if you you decriminalized market wages like they have done in restaurants then you wouldn’t have to hire illegals at the real market level.


26 posted on 07/02/2011 1:12:56 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: La Enchiladita
Well, here one mile into FL from the GA border, the drought has done in the wild blackberries.

I usually pick two or three gallons a year, but not enough to go after this year.

The farmer must use a LOT of irrigation.

27 posted on 07/02/2011 1:13:56 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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Whoa, a FReeper must have infiltrated. LOL.

I notice media at local level are showing signs of being fed up with PC too.

Liberalism is fraying at the edges.


28 posted on 07/02/2011 1:14:15 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (It should be illegal for illegals to play with matches... just sayin'...)
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To: diogenes ghost

I don’t suppose the CBS reporter actually investigated to see if the farmer’s claim is true, or just took his word for it. The “facts” must fit the spin, not the other way around.


29 posted on 07/02/2011 1:16:40 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (It should be illegal for illegals to play with matches... just sayin'...)
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To: pennboricua

“Well then let us bring back chain gangs”

We still have chain gangs in the South. They pick up the roadside trash.


30 posted on 07/02/2011 1:16:42 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: TigersEye

That is the most fun. I remember when I was a young’un, we went up to Beaumont (in CA) to pick our own cherries.


31 posted on 07/02/2011 1:18:58 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (It should be illegal for illegals to play with matches... just sayin'...)
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To: DoughtyOne
Am I willing to pay more at the grocery store? You’re damned straight I do. Employ my fellow citizens, and I’ll pay you what the berries are worth, including their wages.

Well said!

32 posted on 07/02/2011 1:20:44 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: La Enchiladita

Went to one of our local farmer’s place couple of weeks ago. They had bunches of wonderful strawberries which you could pick yourself at greatly reduced prices. Took my grandson and one of his buddies and everyone picked. Let them sell some to the neighbors and they kept the money they earned. Filled part of the freezer with the rest. Farmer is also going to do self-pick as other things are ready. He still makes money, doesn’t have to hire or supervise employees, lots of folks get fresh fruit and vegetables, the grandson has some extra spending money and everyone is happy.


33 posted on 07/02/2011 1:21:24 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: La Enchiladita

The farmers are complaining because they can’t get anyone to pick their crops at below market wages.


34 posted on 07/02/2011 1:28:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thse farmers need to get their act together and pay a decent wage to legal workers.’Cause I can live without blackberries.


35 posted on 07/02/2011 1:30:19 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: La Enchiladita
First I ever heard of blackberries in GA. Learn something new everyday. But the guy is lying, there are fourteens different federal programs for farm labor. He just wants to operate off the books, send the IRS to see him.
36 posted on 07/02/2011 1:30:45 PM PDT by org.whodat
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Well boo hoo! I wish TN would do this. We let a neighbor mow our hay for the hay one year and they used illegals. We lost a 4-wheeler, a chainsaw and a weedeater and spent two days picking up trash. Never again. My husband has been mowing it down and letting it rot on the fields. If farmers need workers let them hire legal immigrants. Some of our government farms use them and they don't cause any trouble. I agree that it's hard to get Americans to work hay, tobacco and other crops but they don't have to hire illegals. Back in the old days farmers hired teenagers to work the fields in summer but no more. Kids won't work in fields in 100 degree weather when they can work in fast food joints.
37 posted on 07/02/2011 1:31:37 PM PDT by Melinda in TN (My goal in life is to be the person my dog thinks I am.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Maybe Some of those idle teenagers need a little exercise and rays. You could pay them in cash like you do the illegals, and the kids would have good beginning jobs. When I was a kid, many teenagers worked the berry fields. Why can’t they do it now?


38 posted on 07/02/2011 1:32:04 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: La Enchiladita

What’s the unemployment rate for Blacks again?


39 posted on 07/02/2011 1:36:10 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: Train Collector

Exactly. Hey Gary, something else to consider: If you have to break the law to do business then you shouldn’t be doing business.


40 posted on 07/02/2011 1:38:29 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: La Enchiladita

I don’t feel sorry for the farmers.

Except for the fact that our government failed to enforce immigration law because the same farmers, chicken processors, food producers, and US Chamber of Commerce, churches, etc wanted cheap labor and new members at the expense of every American taxpayer. The Dem politicians also wanted beholden voters.

If the farmers had been using legal American workers that were paid a free market wage (enough to entice LEGAL workers to pick fruit) it would have resulted in higher fruit prices but a better and more employed and less costly America.

It also would have resulted in the development of automated mechanical pickers.


41 posted on 07/02/2011 1:43:43 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: La Enchiladita

Rant: Why are these people “undocumented”. My Filipina wife, after 4 years in the US became an American citizen.I simply went online, printed out the necessary documents, followed their instructions, paid the necessary fees which were not overly burdensome, submitted all to ICE, in stages, and followed the rules regarding the pathway to LEGAL status. What the heck is the problem? Even if you are here illegally, you pay a fine which is not that much, fill out the paperwork and follow the legal steps which are not that hard to understand. What are these people afraid of? Why are they not even willing to try to straighten out their legal status in the US.

I did it. I’m not stupid but I don’t have a huge IQ score (don’t even know or care what that may be).

It’s not that difficult people.

Rant over.

Thank you.


42 posted on 07/02/2011 1:43:51 PM PDT by RacerX1128
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


43 posted on 07/02/2011 1:45:03 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: diogenes ghost

The dry spell has hurt Georgia also. I visited my daughter and her farmer husband. They are doing OK but we drove by miles of drought stunted corn and withered cotton. I smell another See BS story (like the Bush national guard papers or the gas tank fires on trucks) etc. It will take a while but I think the guest worker program will be implemented so we can hire honest seasonal farm workers.


44 posted on 07/02/2011 1:52:13 PM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: TheBattman

I agree and that is one of the messages I have spoken about. Here in south GA it around 17% unemployment. Now it might cost a little bit more, thus the farmers will have to charge their customers more and so on raising the price of the product, inflation and the re-movement of modern day slave labor, but it would cause an eventual balance of cost in the long run.

This has to be done for the good of all, not just US citizens but those whom are living in the shadows as not quite members of the human race.

Reform is needed but before there can be reform you must control the situation and currently we have no control what so ever. An Immigration is one of the few responsibilities Congress has yet they seam so willing to negate it and grab powers they do not have. Wonder why?


45 posted on 07/02/2011 1:55:04 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: Train Collector
Perhaps if you paid a decent wage you would get Americans to pick your crops. You want to pay illegals a low wage to keep your overhead down instead. I’m willing to pay more in the store for crops raised, picked, and packaged by Americans.

So true. I think a majority of the American people feel that way.

46 posted on 07/02/2011 1:55:04 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Any Fate But Submission
They are infiltrating the USA with people who work harder, for longer hours, for less money and have 5 children to our 1. At the current rate they will be 51% of the population in 75 years and you better speak Spanish because they do not want to learn English.

Their loyalties are to God, family, Mexico in that order. Loyalty to the USA is not even in the top 10.

They work hard as illegals because without any major government social services net they have to, but I question if these hordes will work as hard once amnesty is granted. I'd like to see an objective study on those given amnesty under Reagan as to their accomplishments, criminal behavior, and work ethics, etc? These people are going to change our culture to Mexico lite. The USA could support a 10-15% underclass when we were a wealthy producing nation, but we can't support a 30% underclass when we aren't. It will bring us all down.

Concerning loyalty to the USA, I truly question the loyalties of many in our own government.

47 posted on 07/02/2011 1:58:14 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: carcraft
One other point, My son in laws family farm has trouble competing against big agri business because of illegals and thier cheap labor. The farmer doesn’t hire the illegals, they have a “business” agent who contracts with the farmer. The “business” agent then produces the required bodies. The farmer then pays the business agent who takes a cut then pays the workers. The illegals never actually work for the farmer but for the “business” agent who contracts with the farmer. I really think this story is pure 100 % Cee B*ll Sh*t!
48 posted on 07/02/2011 1:59:43 PM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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“Perhaps if you paid a decent wage you would get Americans to pick your crops.”

Yes, but what if they ask more than he can afford to pay to make it worthwhile? Or there arent enough Americans showing up? At some too-high price its not affordable and too low a price the US labor is unavailable. This law does have the effect of raising cost of labor for these farmers vs what they were doing and that puts them at a disadvantage w/ farmers in other states, especially if farmers in other states are using those same illegal aliens to get their crops in. ...

For example:
“ ... Martinez is here illegally. She stayed, but her husband left to work farms in Washington state. They wanted to avoid any chance they’d both get arrested.”

... these illegals are moving on to other states.
This is not to say the GA law is bad, but passing it in georgia only will put farmers that used the labor at a disadvantage to other states. It would be different/better if it was done evenly across the nation. The fact that this GA law had an impact telegraphs well the complete and utter failure at the federal level to do its job.

“I’m willing to pay more in the store for crops raised, picked, and packaged by Americans.”
Dittos.


49 posted on 07/02/2011 2:02:51 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: TigersEye
I wonder if he has tried advertising a “pick your own” approach. He would get more per pint than the produce buyers would give him and wouldn’t have to pay anyone to do the picking.

It's a great idea. I did that when I was a child.

$10/hour is enough for even my pampered kids. It's a great bootcamp to teach the value of an education and how much better it is than hard labor.

50 posted on 07/02/2011 2:06:20 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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