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Official Calls For Riverside, 12 Other Counties To Secede From California
CBS Los Angeles ^ | July 1, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 07/02/2011 6:47:55 PM PDT by CharlyFord

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To: NoLibZone

Parasites need hosts.


51 posted on 07/02/2011 8:14:12 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Brilliant

Same here. They tried to do the same in WA state when the cascade mountains-side counties had enough of the liberal Seattle enclave dictating WA state politics. Alas, the libs knew how to counter-act and amounted to nothing.


52 posted on 07/02/2011 8:17:31 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012)
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To: Redmen4ever

Some one needs to be pushing this.

Any effort to break the total domination by only one party of our culture, economy , educational system is to be applauded.

2 at the minimum , is the only way to allow for political competition which would fix at least parts California.


53 posted on 07/02/2011 8:18:57 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Biden- No representation for Gopers, Obama-Gopers must get in the back of the bus.)
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To: Will88

Some years ago, Yuma County in Arizona separated into two counties. It is now Yuma County and La Paz county


54 posted on 07/02/2011 8:30:58 PM PDT by Glennb51
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To: politicalmerc
So I appreciate all the West Virginia and Vermont examples but NEITHER of those are a succession.

Which is exactly what I said.
55 posted on 07/02/2011 8:41:27 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Barack Obama, the Stickless Wonder.)
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To: CharlyFord

When the debt ceiling is finally reached with no agreement - and the Fed Gubment starts to really default - the ensuing chaos will make a few cali counties seceding look like a
church social.

Let the anarchy begin.


56 posted on 07/02/2011 8:52:42 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: CharlyFord

I’d be happy if CA just split the electoral votes like Maine or Nebraska.


57 posted on 07/02/2011 8:58:25 PM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Western Pennsylvania should secede from Philadelphia and that area

You would be surprised; we have Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, and then the rest of PA as we say. In between, you would think you are in the deep south in many places.

I can see why this guy feels the way he does.

58 posted on 07/02/2011 8:59:07 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: CharlyFord

Splitting up California would be one of the best ideas to come down the pike in many years. Removing all of that liberal weight from one state’s Congressional delegation would ease up the pressures California can bring to bear on the other 49 states. It would go a long way toward lessening the tyranny of the two left coasts over the rest of the country.


59 posted on 07/02/2011 9:01:27 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Repeal 16-17
Counties can secede from a State, but it's very difficult (see Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1).

West Virginia split from Virginia proper because of the Civil War. They had Union sentiments.

60 posted on 07/02/2011 9:03:42 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: Oceander

You make a very good point!

One that I selfishly hadn’t even thought of.

Breaking up California will have a major impact on national politics.

The libs will fight this to the death.


61 posted on 07/02/2011 9:33:40 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Biden- No representation for Gopers, Obama-Gopers must get in the back of the bus.)
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To: CharlyFord

I would love to do the same thing here in Illinois - everything south of I-80 could divorce itself from Chicago.


62 posted on 07/02/2011 9:35:42 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have proposed that several states split for years. Western Pennsylvania should secede from Philadelphia and that area, Eastern Washington should secede from Seattle/Tacoma, Eastern Oregon from Portland, and several other states dominated by a large city full of liberals and unions.

Same here, I live in the Pittsburgh area and many times we are dominated by Philly too much. BTW, New York City should go on its own too.
63 posted on 07/02/2011 9:44:45 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Brilliant

God if only Santa Barbara would join the fight. I love where I live but hey. The whacked out liberals have lost this great state and I have to say the reagan amnesty certainly wasn’t real smart either. Yet the liberals have destroyed this state.


64 posted on 07/02/2011 10:01:02 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Brilliant

You know, the cities you cite (one of which is my place of birth) were once wonderful places. Rather than all this rhetoric about handing this city or that city over to Mexico, China or North Korea, how about a plan to drive the liberals out?
A few centuries ago, the Europeans got tired of the Muzzies and drove them back to their sand dunes and camels. So too, should we work toward driving the liberals out of the US. Californians had a chance after WWII to keep the trash out, but we were evidently too busy enjoying ourselves while the liberals, working like termites, ate up the state’s foundations.


65 posted on 07/02/2011 10:17:22 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: CharlyFord
Maybe it's time that the blue counties and red counties went their separate ways.

That is in large part what "reducing the size of the federal government" is all about, and it's why the rats are so adamant against it. The more localized the control of government, the less opportunity the rats have to confiscate from red counties and use the money to buy the votes of their party "base" of bums, deadbeats, and parasites in the blue counties, most of which include the large, concentrated Democrat parasite nests ("cities").

66 posted on 07/02/2011 10:22:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: CharlyFord

I could like this.


67 posted on 07/03/2011 12:17:42 AM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding their comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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To: politicalmerc

It wouldn’t have to be an actual seccession, anyway.

The state could be divided into two separately governed sections. No different than creating a new county.


68 posted on 07/03/2011 12:20:26 AM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding their comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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To: truthguy

I say don’t make a new state. Simply create two separate “state” government sections, each with their own budgets and tax schemes. California could still exist, but its state government organized to govern each half separately.


69 posted on 07/03/2011 12:22:54 AM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding their comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Everything south of Santa Maria should become the state of South California. We should make the new state capital Ventura, it has a cool city hall building with a sort of dome and pillars—to use as a capital building. It would be out of the urban problems of LA. South Californians are laid back, we talk different, we are a different breed. We tend to be more conservative even if we have pockets of liberalism. Let Jerry Brown have his North California and her failed policies and high taxes. They have been talking about breaking the state in half since the days when Mexico owned it. I say the people of South California should unilaterally declare ourselves the 51st State.


70 posted on 07/03/2011 12:58:17 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: jonascord
This kind of sophistry is what keeps the legal profession in business.

You are so right! In one of the earlier posts a fellow cited Article IV Section 3 Clause 1 that says that new states may be formed but not out of old states without the consent of the state.

We have sort of beat this horse to death. I love your "insane asylum" quote (I'm married to a girl from SC). My point was minor to start such a string of posts:

Counties cannot secede because they are not sovereign states. They can petition the state to let them go, but why would CA do that? In other words the Constitution forbids the Union of the USA from recognizing these counties as a State without the permission of the California Legislature.

If CA agrees it is hardly secession its a split. If the larger part wanted to "eject" the smaller part I suppose they could push through a bill to exclude them from the state and the smaller part could apply for statehood.

Back to your comment, this is what keeps lawyers in business.

71 posted on 07/03/2011 5:08:58 AM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: Cheburashka
So I appreciate all the West Virginia and Vermont examples but NEITHER of those are a succession.

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Which is exactly what I said.

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Upon further review the call is overturned. That is EXACTLY what the man said in the first place! I was answering too many posts at one time sir!

72 posted on 07/03/2011 5:16:02 AM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: politicalmerc

“That’s what I was eluding to in my other post, the State legislature would have to agree to split, not the counties splitting without the consent of the State. Counties don’t exist without the action of the state.”
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seems like a certain tyrant had a false justification of this sort back 150 years or so....resulting in mass murder, rape, plunder, arson, etc.


73 posted on 07/03/2011 5:33:28 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: CharlyFord

Makes sense. Look at the big political difference between North Carolina and South Carolina.


74 posted on 07/03/2011 5:58:53 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: vette6387

The liberals gotta go somewhere. I am not saying we should hand them over to Mexico. Let them be city states for a while. After a few years, they will realize that it doesn’t work to have everyone on welfare.


75 posted on 07/03/2011 6:52:54 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Redmen4ever
I like your analysis. This part is particularly interesting:

In terms of politics, the states of California and South California would be competitive as between Republicans and Democrats. The states of Los Angeles and San Francisco would be so heavily Democratic that it is possible that the two main parties of these states would be the Democrats and a left-wing party such as the Greens.

I agree with you. The interesting part is that the areas containing farming and forest, there's not enough support for a 'Green' party. But, in the city states LA & San Francisco, concrete jungles, there is enough support to have that 'Green' party. Isn't that typical of libs. The residents of the concrete jungles are actually the least informed on natural environments and have the most extreme views. They are in fact ignorant troublemakers telling more informed people how to run things.

Maybe we should find a simpler solution. Instead of splitting up states to reduce the negative impact of ignorant libs, why don't we just ignore them. Don't let them vote.

76 posted on 07/03/2011 7:26:30 AM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: RummyChick

He has a volunteer sister? How does that work? Mine’s full time and not an unmixed blessing either.


77 posted on 07/03/2011 7:32:44 AM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: politicalmerc
It's a quote from former SC congressman James L. Petigru. He made it soon after SC seceded. He wasn't too popular in his home town of Charleston. The Fire Eaters, Democrats all. wanted a war, much like today, with the belief that their Right makes Might. (As usual, they had it bass-ackwards.)

Personally, I hope the dims don't get smart, and keep running down the road to CW2. Perhaps we can get our country back, and I can hope that the casualty lists aren't too long.

78 posted on 07/03/2011 3:54:14 PM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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I have a peculiar take on this. I live in Los Angeles County, two blocks from Orange county. It would be VERY weird to have a state line be demarcated by a brick wall that divides two states....
79 posted on 07/03/2011 8:08:24 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

Not sure if a brick wall would be necessary, but there are other urban areas that span state borders.


80 posted on 07/03/2011 8:13:46 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Oceander

When I was walking one of my dogs today, walked by the spot. There is a flower garden that is bisected by the “state line” LOL


81 posted on 07/04/2011 7:38:54 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: CharlyFord

Upstate NYS has been kicking this idea around for years.


82 posted on 07/05/2011 5:48:16 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: CharlyFord

Man, I wouldn’t mind staying in the People’s Republic of Illinois if we in downstate could secede from the sewer that is Cook County. Might even have a non-Communist government for a change.


83 posted on 07/05/2011 5:52:11 AM PDT by Marathoner (564 days to go until the Marxist leaves office: Can we make it?)
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