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BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class
Los Angeles Times ^ | July 3, 2011 | Michale Hilzik

Posted on 07/03/2011 6:38:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: mick

No, you are wrong. If you cannot see the horror wraught by the unions and their president you are in trouble.

The fact they live here does not necessarily follow that they are Americans. They are union members, more closely related to Europeans than to Americans.

They are destroying our country...... no quarter.


41 posted on 07/03/2011 7:31:04 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ROFLMAO

“I was going to say, I’m surprised they don’t have cardboard cut-outs of BMW monsters popping up from behind the couch.”


42 posted on 07/03/2011 7:33:27 AM PDT by SanFranDan
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Well said. Dems are pure evil — gun control, race policies, terrorist loving, America hating, capitalist hating, welfare loving, white hating, evil filth. Unions are 99.99% dem. Just how much pity am I supposed to have? What org’s are more destructive to America than unions? Supreme Court I guess, but not many more. How evil must an org be before I can rejoice at its suffering and demise? Is it okay to cheer the end of Al Queda, who, by the way, aren’t 1/100th as destructive to America as dems?


43 posted on 07/03/2011 7:35:30 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Not a happy day. Needs to happen though.


44 posted on 07/03/2011 7:35:39 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bottom right: There’s yer crotch-grabbing Reconquista gang banger right there! All of these people have that traditional 1000 yard Democrat Stare - “Gimme what I’m due or you’ll see what’s gonna happen”..... Go ask you friggin Democrat State government for some help.


45 posted on 07/03/2011 7:35:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Realman30

Yes! That is an excellent point.

The Left is on the same page for the 2012 push to keep the Obama in the White House.

Obama — will give unions ownership in the companies, early retirement with full benefits and lavish health care.

GOP — Evil, mean-spirited, selfish, right-wing Tea Party millionaires who want you to die — the sooner the better.


46 posted on 07/03/2011 7:35:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: bert

Right on!


47 posted on 07/03/2011 7:37:05 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Unions have over stepped more than once. but remember when there are no Unions, we are back at the mercy of employers.

They will pay us what they like and get rid of us if we don't like it.

Unions have brought prosperity to the Middle Income families, their raises were your raises. Yes: They became too big for their britches, but when they are gone it aint gonna be pretty.

48 posted on 07/03/2011 7:38:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

The thought is is that business can do no wrong. But you are correct.


49 posted on 07/03/2011 7:40:44 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
You make a great point.

There is no question that the feelings expressed here are the result of years of free market capitalists taking it in the shin by the left. All our warnings over the years about bloated government and unions are finally coming true. The chickens are truly coming home to roost.

I am a capitalist. And capitalism's great strength is that - when left alone by government - is so beautifully self correcting.

That is what we are finally seeing today. But I draw the line at cheering when the market punishes a person for his stupidity or his mistakes. When Wal-Mart came to town I was happy because on balance it was a great benefit to the community. Cheer for that. But don't cheer because the poor bastard lost his little mom and pop store. That's all I'm saying.

50 posted on 07/03/2011 7:41:07 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Venturer

You’re wrong in your opinion if the market is fair and open. What is fair and open? No collusion between like-service/product employers to keep wages low and there are laws on the books for that - you don’t need a damned union to keep them straight - just fair application of law. If they don’t collude, then the free-market drives the wages, plain and simple.


51 posted on 07/03/2011 7:43:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: mick
You guys are feeling a little blood thirsty today...

Don't forget we are at WAR with the liberals who want to destroy America. Not with guns, but with legislation and the shredding of our Constitution.

These "Americans" are the useful idiots who keep electing the Communists and Socialists. Let them suffer, and learn about what makes America great.

Patton: "Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

52 posted on 07/03/2011 7:48:09 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: bert
And the free market will punish them, FRiend.

I'm on your side. But I'll just pass on the "pissing on their grave" celebration after they are crushed.

53 posted on 07/03/2011 7:50:14 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
$52,000 is not a particularly salary, particularly for Southern California. I just read in the Daily Caller whetre DOD has a mail clerk opening for just under $50,000 in DC.

My guess is that the growing cost of benefits (especially health care) is what caused the shift. More companies are outsourcing jobs to lower cost suppliers or individual contractpors. We will soon be reaching the point where only the government can afford to have full-time workers.

Don't smirk too much about the plight of these workers. The next job outsourced could be YOURS.

54 posted on 07/03/2011 7:50:28 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Venturer

No employer EVER paid an employee “what they like.” They would LIKE to pay us $1 per year, if that. Once you realize that, follow the logic of that statement and see where it leads you. I have NEVER been in a union, and have always been at the “mercy” of my employer (the market, in reality) and I do quite well. In fact, living in VA I don’t believe that I have EVER known a union employee, and we all do quite well here.


55 posted on 07/03/2011 7:52:35 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: mick

Perhaps folks are going a little overboard on this, but that might be understandable in light of the recent union circus in Wisconsin.

I don’t wish anything bad on anyone as an individual, but I laugh at their misfortune as members of a union.


56 posted on 07/03/2011 7:55:22 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: mick

Capt. John Philip was a pu$$y.


57 posted on 07/03/2011 7:55:38 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“... all but three of its 71 employees laid off.

The union contract will be terminated. Some of the employees might be offered jobs with the new operator, but there are no guarantees. And no one expects the new bosses will match the existing $25 hourly scale or the health benefits provided now. “

Today’s industrial wage base rates are set in Shanghai and Delhi.


58 posted on 07/03/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy: It frustrates me when people talk about government jobs as if somehow those are worth less.)
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To: mick

Sorry Mick...I didn’t realize BMW and their workers represented Mom and Pop corner stores.

I have ZERO sympathy for the workers in this article. They gleefully accepted and supported the union’s approach, pay and politics.

You live by the sword - you die by the sword.

Tough teabags to them.


59 posted on 07/03/2011 8:07:08 AM PDT by Herodes
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To: lurk

Exactly. The people (including union MEMBERS) are now seeing that the whole movement has degenerated into the money-laundering of “dues” for purely political (and corruptive) purposes. The gig is up and business has said enough as have the taxpayers. It is about time.


60 posted on 07/03/2011 8:11:23 AM PDT by Shady (The numbers do not lie.)
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