Posted on 07/06/2011 7:29:22 AM PDT by wintertime
The Birther Card game continues, with Obama's long-form birth certificate on top of the pot and "Made in the USA" coffee mugs around the table.
Watching the match unfold leads me to agree with Donald Trump: lots of smart people are birthers, and they don't like the way the game has been played. I suspect most Americans do not appreciate the fact that the issue has been played as a game at all -- both by the mainstream media and the President himself.
If polled the usual question: "Do you believe Obama was born in Hawaii?" -- Obama's behavior would provoke me (even though I do believe he was) to answer, "Beats me!" (I plan on wearing my Obama "Made in the USA" t-shirt so they won't ask.) Regardless, even a "Yes" response, if not followed with denouncements of all doubters, may still earn a Republican the label of racist birther.
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Well, duh! But the point is that it stated that he was eligible because he had been born to two citizen parents. Why not raise the issue that if McCain was eligible because he was born to two citizen parents, and because Minor v Happersett defines natural born citizen as a child born to two citizen parents, Obama is not a natural born citizen and, so, is not eligible? This are simple enough concepts for anyone who is not part of the Democrat mob to understand.
The issue of parents comes into play if a person is not born within the United States.
Minor v Happersett has been presented to the Roberts Court in Kerchner v Obama and Hollister v Soetoro, et. al.
The Justices weren’t interested. Obviously the Supreme Court must be a part of the Democratic mob. They can’t understand the concepts and neither can any of 535 members of Congress since none of them have advocated a bill of impeachment.
Murdoch and his underlings gave the long legged “Blond” book whore orders to slam the “Proofers” to the ground or else she could NOT “sell” her books via FAUX. All the other Blonds there got similar orders and so also Rush Limbo!!!
Yeah, in the real old days we used old telephone books as toilet paper. Today’s book paper properly will give your sensitive ass hemorrhoids!!!
U K L Lee has stamped other b.c. before and after Barry’s faked!!!
IIRC that exchange took place at a Tea Party event, hmmm???
I remember Rush Limbo was off the air one day in 2009 and he never disclosed where he was or what business was discussed, but he would scold anyone sneaking by Snerdley and bring up the NBC issue!!!
Go to his facebook, he has passed 5000 friends. He's very active there!!!
You got that very right which you're are proposing to us Proofers, but we are not buying your pacifistic stand!!!
So you don’t have a U.S. CONSTITUTION anymore!??!
Who IS a “birther”???
We have only heard what they have said. You can't know what they **think**.
There's no evidence Obama ever used his 2007 alleged COLB or his 2011 alleged LFBC for any of those purposes. What document did he use?? Where is it?? Why didn't he show that??
Any court of law in the land will accept a certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state/county/city as long as it contains the official state/county/city Seal and an authorizing signature of an official of the state/county/city. Federal Rule of Evidence #902:
Right ... and in all of the lawsuits to which Obama has been a party, not one time has he ever presented either of his alleged birth certificates as evidence to any court of law. Strange, when it would have been so easy for a court to make a legal determination of the validity of these alleged vital records.
Awright. Who's Bogarting the Troll-to-English dictionary? Just pass it on down and we'll see if we can't diagnose the problem here.
There’s no evidence Obama ever used his 2007 alleged COLB or his 2011 alleged LFBC for any of those purposes. What document did he use?? Where is it?? Why didn’t he show that??
Right ... and in all of the lawsuits to which Obama has been a party, not one time has he ever presented either of his alleged birth certificates as evidence to any court of law. Strange, when it would have been so easy for a court to make a legal determination of the validity of these alleged vital records.”
Did any of the eligibility lawsuits ever make it to an evidence phase? I can’t remember one not being dismissed on pretrial motions.
Are you punting your point about the FRE already?? You brought it up and now you're querying about whether the lawsuits got to the evidence phase?? And you do understand that Obama could have presented the requested birth certificate INSTEAD of filing a motion to dismiss?? Tell me you understand that.
According to Minor v Happersett the issue of having two citizen parents is fundamental for NBC. The judge said that there are other citizens who are not NBC. He also said that there are those who claim citizenship for anyone born in U.S. territory regardless of the parents’ status as citizens and says that that assertion is in doubt but that there is no doubt that one born to two citizen parents is a NBC.
Minor v Happersett has had no impact on any lawsuit challenging Zero’s eligibility. It was a women’s suffrage case.
Zero’s defenders also use Minor v Happersett for their cause with the statement: “The Constitution does not in so many words say who shall be a natural born citizen. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.”
And those trying to get the Courts to rule Zero ineligible use the next section of the Supreme Court’s decision for their side of the arguement: “At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
Zero’s defenders then use the next section for their side:
“Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.
And those trying to get Zero ruled ineligible pick up with the next section of the decision in Minor v Happersett for their side: “As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”
And the next sentence is used by Zero’s liberal lawyers to show that Minor v Happersett is NOT binding precedent: “For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”
And the final sentence is stressed by the Obama is ineligible side of the legal debate: “It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.”
We have to remember that liberal lawyers and liberal judges are going to hear what they want to hear and twist words and stress parts that are out of context. It’s what they do.
“Are you punting your point about the FRE already?? You brought it up and now you’re querying about whether the lawsuits got to the evidence phase?? And you do understand that Obama could have presented the requested birth certificate INSTEAD of filing a motion to dismiss?? Tell me you understand that.”
The “E” in FRE stands for “evidence.” Judges don’t accept evidence at a pretrial phase and no lawyer in their right mind allows their client to go to trial when they can get a lawsuit dismissed.
When Senator McCain and the Republican National Committee were sued on the grounds that John McCain’s birth in Panama made him ineligible, neither lawyers representing Senator McCain nor the Republican Party submitted his birth certificate to the Court. They submitted pretrial motions to dismiss on grounds of lack of standing by the plaintiff, Fred Hollander.
Mr. Hollander, the plaintiff, DID submit a copy of a McCain birth certificate with a “Plaintiff’s Sur-Reply In Opposition To The Motion Of Defendants Senator John McCain And The Republican National Committee To Dismiss The First Amended Complaint.”
Unfortunately, the birth certificate submitted by the plaintiff turned out to be a forgery which said that McCain was born in Colon, Panama and not at Coco Solo Naval Air Station’s Family Hospital within the Panama Canal Zone.
Senator McCain did show a copy of his real birth certificate to one reporter for the Washington Post named Michael Dobbs.
Does it hurt to be deranged?
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