Birther Card: Coulter's Turn

The American Thinker ^ | July 6, 2011 | Cindy Simpson

[DJ MacWoW]

At this point we have no way of knowing what BC’s that are on the web are genuine.

Ain't that the truth. All we DO know is that they lied about getting a long form as a FReeper did so. That ain't looking good for Hawaii's veracity.

[john mirse]

The evidence that Obama’s LFBC is fradulant is over- whelming. Check out the experts at BIRTHER REPORT. They actually have computer experts used by the CIA who say it’s not even a good forgery. Yet Fox, Coulter, Hannity, Rush...none will touch it. It’s a lie we are all gonna agree to for the sake of the country...strange reasoning. Like Kennedy’s murder...”nothing to see here, move on”. Lost lots of respect for conservative media on this one.

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Why did Obama order a new long form birth certificate in the first place?

1. Did the dog eat the one he had?

2. Did his have stains all over that made most of it unreadable?

3. Was his so old that it was coming apart so that he needed a new one to replace it?

4. Did Obama simply lose his copy?

5. If Obama dares to use the universal school kid excuse that the "dog ate it story", he would be laughed at because no one would believe that a dog of then Senator Obama or of President Obama would be allowed near such a very valuable family document, a document that was probably stored with other family documents in a very safe place.

6. If Obama used "the stain-on-the-document" or "the-document-was-falling-apart" excuses, then I believe the natural followup question by the public would be something like this:

"Mr. President, do you still have the stained document or the falling-apart document so that the public can take a look at it? I hope that you didn't throw it away. Why and when did you throw it away? Were you trying to hide something by throwing it away?"

7. If Obama says that he threw it away, then I would say that Obama would be in a lot of trouble, because a lot of VOTERS would be very suspicious as to why the President of the United States would throw away such a valuable document before the public could take a look at it.

8. Sadly, reporters seem too scared to confront President Obama and ask why he had to order a new long form birth certificate in April 2011, if he already had one. What a bunch of cowards.

[hosepipe]

Coulter is correct... Obamas CRIMES have eclipsed eligibility.. by so much, whether hes eligible (or not) is not meaningful.. Obama has tapped into TREASON... sedition and espionage..

[wintertime]

It was resolved, you just don't like the resolution
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It appears that is has been “resolved” by dissolving the Article2, Section 1.

[Forty-Niner]

” “Do you believe Obama was born in Hawaii?”

Yet another example of the Obama team trying to morph the Article II Constutional requirement of Natural Born Citizen (by definition: Born in country to (2) citizen Parents) into one of simple 14th Amendment “born” (on the soil/jus solis) citizenship. It’s pathetic that so many, who should know better, and probably do (they’re just running away from the fight), buy into that meme.........

Pragmatic you say? I call it cowardice, none here dare call it for what it really is.....treason.

[End Times Sentinel]

Why is it we can't keep SWIFT/TFT, Extraordinary Rendition, or wikileaks secret, but we can't get Rush Limbaugh to expose this forgery?

I mean, it was so obvious that you could determine this document was a forgery, I'll assume your an expert in document authentication. Why doesn't Rush reach out to you and expose this hoax? It shouldn't take more than a few hours before it's all over the news. Remember Buckhead? By the next morning, every news outlet with the one exception of CBS was touting the news even though it hurt their chosen candidate.

[wintertime]

It is an **obvious** forgery. Crudely made even.

Sorry....I am have **never** believed in large, wide scale conspiracies. They eventual crumble.

But....I am flummoxed! Honestly, I am. Why on earth would Fox and the other major conservative news forums ignore this?

Why?

[DJ MacWoW]

Dan Rather and Mary Mapes were more dangerous than Obama and company? Um, I don’t think so. You ignore the obvious. Clinton made inconvenient people disappear. Obama and company is Clinton on steroids. Intimidation and fear works.

[Forty-Niner]

It doesn’t matter if the LFBC is a forgery or not, except in his/their delay in providing it demostrates knowledge of lack of eligibility. (Conscieousness of Guilt????)

The only real question is whether or not Obama meets the Article II eligibility requirement. You’ll note that Obama never, ever, claims being an NBC, he always says “ I was born here, I’m a citizen.” thereby sidestepping the real question and reason for his ineligibilty.

So far Obama’s published life story “Dreams from my Father,” and his pro-offered BC are both prima facia case that he does not meet the Article II requirements of NBC.

Unwillingness to fight that battle, for whatever real or imagined reason does not change that simple fact.

[End Times Sentinel]

I am have **never** believed in large, wide scale conspiracies.

You should continue to not believe in large scale conspiracies. You're right to be flummoxed.

It simply does not stand to reason that with all the exposure this topic has received that none of the 100 million literate adults in this country would expose this. The unbelievable notoriety one would obtain, along with the fact that the wikileaks affair has already shown that The One isn't able to make people disappear, exposes this as an impossible scenario.

[rxsid]

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

Office	Citizenship	Age	Residency (or years citizen)
President & Commander in Chief (1 of 1)	natural born Citizen	35	14 years resident
Senator (1 of many)	Citizen	30	9 years a Citizen
Represantative (1 of many)	Citizen	25	7 years a Citizen

Assuming Barry's father really was Obama Sr., Barry was born a subject to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England, inheriting his foreign father's foreign citizenship by birthright.
Then, when Kenyan gained it's independence, Barry obtained Kenyan citizenship at age ~2.
He possibly even had Indonesian citizenship if his step father Lolo Soetoro adopted him.

Forget dual citizen...Barry was/is a multi-national. He never was a "natural born Citizen."

Question is, do enough people care in the present day that Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution is currently being completely ignored? Where are all the "Constitutionalists?"

[Texas Eagle]

If the natural born citizenship issue had been resolved before the election or shortly after then we would NOT NOT NOT have had the following:

IF.

[rxsid]

What about the actual Constitutional question at hand...

How can someone who is born owing allegiance to the crown of her majesty the Queen of England, inherited by birthright from their foreign father, possibly be considered a "natural born Citizen" as known and intended by the framers?

And, will it be OK when his "precedent" is set that an admitted multi-national is eligible to be our President and Commander in Chief of our armed forces?

[aruanan]

If the natural born citizenship issue had been resolved before the election or shortly after then we would NOT NOT NOT have had the following:

The basis for NBC was reaffirmed by the Senate when they declared McCain eligible because he was born to two citizen parents (even near the turn of the 18th century a child born anywhere in the world to two U.S. citizen parents was considered natural born). The same standards were just never applied to Senator Barry Soetoro.

[jh4freedom]

I remember seeing my original copy of my birth certificate at my parents’ home many years ago but I have no idea where it is today.
I’ve been using my short form birth certificate issued by my home county for all official purposes for the last forty years. It’s been good for passports, licenses, Social Security and mortgages.

Any court of law in the land will accept a certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state/county/city as long as it contains the official state/county/city Seal and an authorizing signature of an official of the state/county/city.
Federal Rule of Evidence #902:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm#Rule902

[john mirse]

I remember seeing my original copy of my birth certificate at my parents’ home many years ago but I have no idea where it is today.

I’ve been using my short form birth certificate issued by my home county for all official purposes for the last forty years. It’s been good for passports, licenses, Social Security and mortgages.

Any court of law in the land will accept a certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state/county/city as long as it contains the official state/county/city Seal and an authorizing signature of an official of the state/county/city.

Federal Rule of Evidence #902:

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YOUR SHORT FORM: Are you saying that you ordered a short form birth certificate because you lost your long form?

1. So you are saying (1)that the dog didn't eat it; (2)that it was not stained so severely that most of it was unreadable; and (3)that it was not falling apart.

2. Just wondering: Did you send your personal attorney to your home state to personally pick up a copy of your short form, or was it simply mailed to you?

3. Of course, you are a private citizen---and I assume that you are not running for public office---so you don't have to explain to anyone why you order a birth certificate, long or short form.

4. However, if you were President of the United States who was running for re-election and VOTERS were demanding to see your long form birth certificate, then I say that you have an obligation to explain to us VOTERS why you ordered a long form birth certificate if you already had one, because it you don't, many of us VOTERS will become very suspicious that you are trying to hide something that will damage your political career.

5. My point is this: All I am asking the President of the United States to do is explain why he had to order a long form birth certificate in April 2011:

a. Did he simply lose his copy?

b. Did his dog eat it?

c. Was it so stained that parts of it were unreadable?

d. Was it coming apart?

[Menehune56]

Hannity had Corsi scheduled for his tv program...Corsi says he was canceled the evening of his appearance.

This was an incredibly sinister occurrence because as far as I can tell, Hannity never explained the cancelation or even acknowledged the change in schedule. Sean had been promoting Corsi's appearance the day before then ... nothing. I have read the Corsi book and at the very least it is well written and an excellent compilation of disappeared webpages for whatever history comes out of the Obama era.

[wintertime]

IF.
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For want of a nail the war was lost.

[jh4freedom]

I’m saying that I needed a birth certificate to get a passport for my first trip to Europe. I ordered “my birth certificate” from my home state and they sent me what is now called a “short form.” I have used it ever since.

The birth certificate that Zero posted on his web site in April of 2008 was good enough for him to get elected. I suspect that the long form that is on the White House web site now will be good enough for anyone who would consider voting for Zero in 2012.

I have not heard any announced Republican candidates or any potential Republican candidates challenge the authenticity of Zero’s birth certificate(s), have you?

[jh4freedom]

The basis for NBC was reaffirmed by the Senate when they declared McCain eligible because he was born to two citizen parents (even near the turn of the 18th century a child born anywhere in the world to two U.S. citizen parents was considered natural born). The same standards were just never applied to Senator Barry Soetoro.

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That was a non-binding resolution. It had no force of law and it was only a Senate Resolution, the House took no similar action. It was purely symbolic.

The House Of Representatives passed a non-binding resolution which declared that “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.”
That’s House Resolution 593, 111th Congress (2009). The House Resolution also has no force of law and did not get introduced in the Senate. Purely symbolic as a part of the Commemoration of Hawaii’s 50th anniversary.